Brian Klaas: how we control nothing but influence everything

Afternoons - A podcast by RNZ - Thursdays

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Social scientist Brian Klaas finds it uplifting to recognise how much of his own life is the result of random chance. "It liberates me to say maybe there's no cosmic purpose to my life and what I'm supposed to do is [just] enjoy it with people I love and care about and try to make the world a little better for other people," he tells Afternoons.