*Bonus* Ivo Graham

We talk to ABC hall of famer Ivo Graham about his new book, chaos, losing his phone in a cab and how he got it back and a whole lot more! You can order Ivo's new book here! - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/yardsticks-for-failure-a-journey-down-the-sinkhole-of-not-getting-stuff-done-ivo-graham/7681886?ean=9781035411306 To get in touch with ABC, please email [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices