Are national conservatives in ECR aiming for a top job or political power play?

The European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) announced on Wednesday they've overtaken the liberal Renew group to become the third-largest political group in the European Parliament. This shake-up impacts the negotiations for EU top jobs as - at least in theory - it makes the ECR entitled to one of them. But is ECR really interested in one of the top jobs? How is Italy's Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni planning to use her power? And what next for Ursula von der Leyen? To discuss this further, we’ve invited in our studio our politics editor Aurélie Pugnet.