Fraud and Pharmacists | Gavel and Pestle Podcast

[et_pb_section bb_built="1" _builder_version="3.0.47" custom_padding="49px|0px|0|0px|false|false"][et_pb_row custom_padding="104px|146px|104px|146px|false|false" background_color_1="rgba(224,153,0,0.66)" _builder_version="3.15" background_image="https://darshantalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/blog-headerep203.jpg" custom_padding_tablet="0px|0px|0px|0px" custom_padding_last_edited="on|tablet" padding_top_1="22px" padding_right_1="22px" padding_bottom_1="22px" padding_left_1="22px"][et_pb_column type="4_4"][et_pb_audio audio="https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/482162079-pharmacy-podcast-pharmacy-and-fraud-ppn-episode.mp3" title="Fraud and Pharmacy" artist_name="Gavel and Pestle" album_name="Pharmacy Podcast Network" image_url="https://darshantalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/logo.jpg" _builder_version="3.15" background_color="rgba(224,153,0,0.53)" box_shadow_style="preset2"]   [/et_pb_audio][/et_pb_column][/et_pb_row][et_pb_row _builder_version="3.0.48" background_size="initial" background_position="top_left" background_repeat="repeat"][et_pb_column type="4_4"][et_pb_toggle title="Show Transcript" _builder_version="3.15"] Darshan: Hey, Major. It's good to hear from you again. How are you doing? Major: I'm doing pretty good. Today we're going to talk about fraud and pharmacists. This is the Gavel & Pestle Podcast. My name is Major, and this is Darshan. Darshan: Hey, Major. It's been a long time. So today we're going to be talking about pharmacists and when we do wrong and, "Is this a big deal?" Is it the equivalent of, "You know what, a pill here and there, do we worry about them?" Major: What are you talking about, fraud and pharmacists. Now, we defend pharmacists on the show, on the podcast, quite a bit, and for legitimacy. The thing is, we're talking about fraud and pharmacists, so pharmacists can be involved in fraud? How is that? How does that work? Darshan: So here's the funny thing. Today's news or yesterday's news was a pharmacist in Germany was involved in diluting chemotherapy for patients, for very expensive patients, and the fact was that patients potentially died because of this dilution. And if that same situation had happened in the US, that pharmacist would very much convicted of fraud, fraud by the government, and fraud to patients. So those would be things we're thinking about. Is that the only way? No. The dilution, which obviously would have hurt patients, for what, so that he could have a nicer house? That's not what he went to pharmacy school for. I mean, it's nice if he has a nice house. I have no problem with his nice house. But it shouldn't ever happen at the price of his patients. Major: Just to clarify, fraud is defined, and this is just strict Google definition, right, "Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain." So in that situation, he wasn't the most quality of an individual, just a personal- Darshan: There you go, exactly right. And that's the problem. Here's the other thing, most pharmacists think that we are operating effectively under the radar. We also sort of think that we're beyond reproach. I mean, for the longest time, pharmacists were the most trusted profession. In recent times, nurses have taken over. Clergy have come close. But pharmacists tend to be amongst the highest trusted professions, and that's been dropping, and that's a concern. We as pharmacists need to look back and figure out what's happening. The next thing that we need to look at is, is this a common enough occurrence? So does it happen every day? Major: Are these guys just outliers that we're hearing about? Darshan: Yeah, exactly. These people obviously are outliers. It's not like every second pharmacist you see is cheating an...