“Facts are a stubborn thing”
Deadline: White House - A podcast by Nicolle Wallace, MSNBC
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Nicolle Wallace discusses a newly unredacted affidavit in the classified documents case against the ex-president as his valet Walt Nauta pleads not guilty, updates on Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the 2020 election, a jarring campaign ad from Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Chief Justice John Roberts’ latest reaction to criticism of the Supreme Court, and more. Joined by: Betsy Woodruff Swan, Andrew Weissmann, Brandon Van Grack, Michael Steele, Matt Dowd, Tim Heaphy, Katie Benner, David Jolly, Barbara McQuade, and Marc Elias.