#35: Jordan Shelley & Steve Goodall - Crossing Over, BSL & Puppy Tales

In this podcast we discuss Steve's new book Puppy Tales, Jordan's very public change in training methods after BBC's The One Show and Breed Specific Legislation. Jordan Shelley famously crossed over from punitive, dominance-based training methods after a stint on BBC's The One Show. He was aided in doing so by well known trainers like Ian Dunbar and Grisha Stewart. Now he's a professional training and behaviour specialist based in the New Forest in England that advocates for positive training and the end of breed specific legislation (BSL). Steve Goodall is co-author of the book Puppy Tales: Jack and Billy and runs Goodall Dog Training in Southampton, England with his wife Corrin. Together they co-host the Barking Mad Show podcast along with Gav Muldoon who unfortunately couldn't be here for this podcast. Shownotes: www.nickbenger.com/barking-mad 75% Off Butternut Box: www.butternutbox.com/nickbenger Engagement Guide: www.barkplayteach.com/the-engagement-guide