Annie and the swans (not a band)

With her posse of dedicated volunteers, bio-scientist Annie Aulsebrook is out catching swans at Albert Park Lake. She's studying the effect of light pollution on our urban birds. She chats to Dr Andi Horvath about Black Swan myths, capturing techniques and how lakeside research isn't all swanning about. Recorded: December 2016. Interviewer: Dr Andi Horvath. Producers: Chris Hatzis, Dr Andi Horvath. Editor: Chris Hatzis. Engineer: Arch Cuthbertson.