Four years in exile – Puigdemont and the other Catalan pro-independence leaders

The arrest of former Catalan president Carles Puigdemont on the Italian island of Sardinia in September was the latest twist in the four-year saga of the exiled Catalan pro-independence leaders. In this podcast Puigdemont's lawyer, Gonzalo Boye, explains why he's certain that Spain's extradition attempts will not be successful. Cristina Tomàs White and Cillian Shields look back on the key moments from the past four years of legal wrangling. Guifré Jordan joins Lorcan Doherty to discuss the drama and intrigue of covering one of Europe's biggest political stories and they look ahead to what could happen next, with Catalonia demanding an amnesty but Spain firmly ruling one out. This week's Catalan phrase is 'pixar fora de test' or 'to piss outside the pot'. It means to say something inappropriate.