Rebecca Salter and Barry Smale on building-up one's resilience as an artist and how to navigate rejection

The fifth podcast in the series features a conversation between Rebecca Salter, President of the Royal Academy of Arts, and Barry Smale, psychotherapist, trauma specialist and lecturer. Focusing on resilience, the pair discuss the programme Salter is starting at the Royal Academy with her Genesis Prize award. The Genesis Podcast Series is being produced in the run-up to the Genesis Foundation’s 20th anniversary, and consists of conversations between artists and thought leaders presented by broadcaster James Jolly.