A Most Gracious Loser (with John Heilemann)

Axe and Gibbs are joined by superhack John Heilemann, now the host of his own podcast “Hell & High Water.” The Hacks discuss the ongoing attempt by Trump to subvert our democracy, take a deep dive into some of the challenges facing the Democratic party in the near term, and talk about the politics of the stimulus negotiations.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices