ROUND 2: SMITH vs. MURRAY | Hn 120

The Dave Smith vs. Douglas Murray debate caused such a cultural shockwave that Adam and economist Bob Murphy had to take a couple more bites of the apple! New analysis, post-debate critiques of critiques, and meta-frameworks to help us understand the moment. Enjoy! 00:00 — Intro. It's Dave vs Douglas on JRE, Round 2! (of Hn analysis, anyway) 02:25 — An example of Douglas Murray after the fact misrepresenting his interaction with Dave Smith. Is this an honest actor? 09:20 — Douglas Murray also wrote a New York Post article (linked below) doubling down on his tactics in the Joe Rogan debate. 18:27 — Konstantin Kisin also wrote a terrible Substack article (linked below) about this debate. 28:37 — Bret Weinstein hypothesizes that all this kerfuffle is designed to pave the way to war with Iran. Could it be true? 30:52 — Kisin and Murray strawman the "anti-expert" argument. Bob has a clip from JRE to demonstrate. What does it mean to be an "expert", anyway? How does Bob himself handle debates vs. "non-experts"? Why is Douglas Murray doing it all wrong? 40:01 — D vs D on JRE referenced a debate (linked below) between Pat Buchanan et al and Andrew Roberts et al. Adam and Bob found some interesting tidbits about who won and what was discussed. Also, "Oxford-style" voting methods can be confusing! 55:26 — How is "the public" to find truth? Centralized gatekeeping didn't work. Decentralized podcasts aren't perfect either. What is the solution? 57:22 — How should we think about the "intentionality" of killing innocents in war? What are the legal distinctions? What are the moral distinctions? Also, as always, the "2 movies on 1 screen" phenomenon is on display. 1:10:30 — Outro. Thanks for watching Haman Nature! New York Post article by Douglas Murray mentioned: "So-called Israel-Hamas, Ukraine war 'experts' spew false info on Joe Rogan podcast. There has to be a standard." Konstantin Kisin Substack article mentioned: Murray vs. Smith: “Dispatches from Podcastistan.” Debate on Churchill featuring Pat Buchanan and Andrew Roberts mentioned: Adam on X: @RerazerBob on X: @BobMurphyEcon The Bob Murphy Show: The Human Action podcast: Adam's other podcast: Natural Order Podcast This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit hamannature.substack.com/subscribe