117: John Zeratsky is in this episode!
Jake and Jonathan - A podcast by Jake Knapp & Jonathan Courtney
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Jake interviews John Zeratsky, co-author of Sprint and Make Time! They talk about John’s journey to becoming a designer, how the Design Sprint came to be, and they tease the upcoming Make Time course!