Is this what growing up feels like?

Just So We're Clear - A podcast by Marissa Trew & Hanli Hoefer

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Hanli just turned 30 and it's a pretty big deal. We reflect on how sometimes even a birthday feels like everything is getting shaken up. Some call it Saturn's Return. Some call it just part of growing up. Either way, a lot of reflections are bubbling to the surface, so naturally we wanna talk about it. We talk about whether we believe in 'the one', why self-honesty is harder than it sounds, and entering your villain era.