KOL238 | Libertopia 2012 IP Panel with Charles Johnson and Butler Shaffer

Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 238. At Libertopia Oct. 12, 2012, I participated in an hour-long IP panel with Charles Johnson, moderated by Butler Shaffer. Transcript below. For my other presentation, and for more details, see KOL236 | Intellectual Nonsense: Fallacious Arguments for IP (Libertopia 2012). Youtube: https://youtu.be/lTWjqn16fGk Libertopia 2012 IP Panel Stephan Kinsella, Charles Johnson, and Butler Shaffer Oct. 12, 2012 Transcript 00:00:00 M: Butler, Shaffer with his Gandalf stick [indiscernible_00:00:03], the great Stephan Kinsella [indiscernible_00:00:10] is he up?  Jeffy Jeff, Jeffy B. 00:00:15 STEPHAN KINSELLA: No.  Charles Johnson. 00:00:17 M: Charles?  Check. 00:00:19 M: Charles. 00:00:21 M: Charles Johnson [indiscernible_00:00:24] so if you guys want to have a seat.  Our general format is, as you imagine, rules free.  So it just – I’ll make statements and take your turns as you see fit. 00:00:36 STEPHAN KINSELLA: I think we need a third chair. 00:00:38 M: Did you want to – are we just going to use the podium? 00:00:41 M: Oh, I see. 00:00:42 M: We can bring out three chairs if you’d like. 00:00:43 M: I think three chairs is – that’s what we did yesterday.  I think everyone sat down, and remember the first three rows must heckle.  That is the rule.  You must heckle and, in fact, under your seat a bucket of fruit, fairly old, and [indiscernible_00:00:59].  You can skip them. 00:01:02 00:01:12 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Sorry. 00:01:13 M: No problem.  It just comes with the territory. 00:01:16 00:01:28 M: All right, Mr. Butler, if you’d like to take it away I will have a seat [indiscernible_00:01:32] 00:01:34 BUTLER SHAFFER: Are we all set? 00:01:35 STEPHAN KINSELLA: We’re set. 00:01:36 BUTLER SHAFFER: Is this all turned on?  I assume.  All right.  Our panel has to do with the personal significance of intellectual property [indiscernible_00:01:53] faces out there [indiscernible_00:01:57].  I’m doing the moderating I guess, and leave it up to these two fine people to do all the substantive stuff.  I would like to at least start this off with one question in which maybe we can get some responses to get this one thing started [indiscernible_00:02:29].  And that has to do with whether or not, in a state-less society, would we have patents or copyrights.  And be careful how you answer that question.  I don’t know if it’s either a yes-or-no answer [indiscernible_00:02:47].  What do you think? 00:02:51 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Charles, do you want to start since I had a shot at this yesterday? 00:02:54 CHARLES JOHNSON: Sure.  So my position is no, there’s not going to be copyright or patent protections that look anything like the bundle of legal protections that go along with those today. 00:03:06 00:03:09 STEPHAN KINSELLA: Of course I agree.  I actually think there wouldn’t be trademark, trade secret, or any other type of IP as well. 00:03:16 BUTLER SHAFFER: We’re set.  Why don’t we go home? 00:03:19 [laughter] 00:03:23 BUTLER SHAFFER: The reason I ask that and the reason I ask it in the form of a question for which yes or no might not be a complete answer is here we see a problem with copyright or patent arising out of contract between tw...