Payden's Cleveland: Recovery will be drawn out and slower than expected

Jeffrey Cleveland, chief economist for Payden and Rygel Investment Management, reacts to Friday's massive unemployment numbers by noting that the good news in the report -- that 78 percent of the jobless say their personal trouble is temporary -- may be a bit too optimistic, with the reality being that 40 to 50 percent of the lost jobs may be permanent or longer than anticipated, which would slow any recovery. Also on the show, Mike Brown of LendEDU.com discusses troubles consumers are having paying off student loans right now and how forgiveness programs are working, David Trainer of New Constructs discusses why he thinks passive investors are due for some heightened pain ahead, and John Bonnanzio, editor at Fidelity Monitor and Insight newsletter talks funds and ETFs in the Market Call.