#NCELive - Vivienne Porritt - No 27 - Being a better ally

Insightful conversation with Vivienne Porritt and live session members on some (tip of the iceberg)of the challenges around women and equality in education and how men can be better allies!Video link to conversation: https://zoom.us/rec/share/w9VLdOHsqF9JQ43WwkH8ZL4tJ6fXT6a8gXIZr_sFxBpr-VOX08z9A01F2gSuHbbQAccess Password: ^Re8IMFUChat box notes: 00:20:52Nick Heard:Please feel free to post thoughts, comments and reflections here!00:35:42Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:as men, we should do that too.00:35:59Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:the issues faced by women in education are the issue for all of ua00:36:06Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:*us00:37:46Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:I’ve set myself the target of bringing 10 HeForShe me to womened events this year. COVID got in the way of the actual events next00:39:34Lucy Oragano:Timothee- I think the issue is also about the 'gaps' women experience; having children, going part-time etc. It can impact on women 'falling' behind. 00:40:09Lucy Oragano:Men don't tend to have those 'gaps' therefore they 'overtake' women in their careers00:40:09Nick Heard:Martyn - coming to you next!00:41:03Julie Stewart:I've been quite lucky in that both schools I've worked in have had a very good proportion of women leaders. I have noticed the pay gap in my own settings, however. I have only in the last few years found the confidence and knowledge to have discussions about my pay and negotiate in a way men seem more likely to do this.00:41:06Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:I often take over schools as HT where part time women are not allowed to apply for leadership posts00:41:09Laura Olley:There is a HBR article ( Olekains, Sept 2019) that suggests that women negotiate poorly, lack confidence and are too risk adverse when it comes to discussing pay. How do we help them to get better at this? 00:41:57Lucy Oragano:Characteristics of gender play a part- women much less likely to negotiate salary etc and lack confidence (generally) over men00:42:00Matt Silver:The internal and external sources. Self development and the system00:42:06Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:Women knowing and claiming their financial waste is a big issue00:43:13Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:3 of the women I’ve supported during the holidays is how to have the difficult conversation about pay!00:47:25Lucy Oragano:Leadership styles also play a part00:47:32Matt Silver:Psychological defences: denial, projection and rationalisation. How conscious are the individuals, the system and the culture? Support and challenge are the counter to entrenched behaviour as unconscious habits00:47:34Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:your example proves the point that you are a male head & the site manager is a male. even though only 2 men, both senior positions00:48:40Lucy Oragano:Its hard to be a woman leader and having to educate (not all) men on the issues women face without sounding like you're moaning!!00:49:16Matt Silver:Does unity of delivery overcome this Lucy??00:49:51Lucy Oragano:Time is also an issue- often promotion comes (in education) from those who have more time to volunteer for projects and can offer more hours- women don't always have this time00:50:23Timothee Nguessan:i am more than happy to join in the campaign00:50:28Matt Silver:What would your system design look like to overcome this?00:50:34Timothee Nguessan:please send details00:50:35Patrick Ottley-O’Connor:Exactly Lucy. That’s why men should do more of the moaning about inequality00:50:42Lucy Oragano:Agreed!!00:50:45Jason Oster:I think when equality doesn't hurt you in any particular obvious way it is easy to turn a blind eye to it and remain ignorant, so for me it's all about raising awareness of the issues....