Start here if you're new!

Joy and I just wanted to give you a heads-up: we weren't super good at this when we started out! We like to think we got better with time, we definitely got better gear and figured out the episode flow, anyway! If you struggle a bit with our early seasons, we totally understand. That's why we recommend if you are a new listener, maybe skip ahead to season 3 and get to know us when we hit our stride a little better. We had such a great experience making this podcast and would love for you to be able to enjoy it too!Support the show