Ergo and a historic flight to freedom
Problem Solved: The IISE Podcast - A podcast by Institute of Industrial and Systems Engineers

In this episode, IISE's James Swisher discusses a serendipitous meeting that occurred during the Applied Ergonomics Conference 2022 in Orlando. Swisher is joined by 2022 keynote speaker Mike Ha and conference attendee Eric Fowler, who bonded over their respective relationships to the field of ergonomics as well as the power and history of the C-130 military airlifter – a plane that flew a young Mike Ha and other refugees who were among the last to escape Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War.