Not Another Bric in the Wall (with Dewi Fortuna Anwar)

Indonesia's foreign policy is even freer and more active than usual, as President Joko Widodo negotiates the G20, Asean, IPEF, Aukus, the OECD, Brics and other acronyms.  On the eve of Asean's Jakarta Summit and in the wake of Widodo's address to Brics, the pod consults foreign policy expert Dewi Fortuna (of the Habibie Center and the National Research and Innovation Agency or 'Brin') who sets forth her "Hedging Plus" description of Indonesia's approach.  Also: Jeff and Kevin discuss Ganjar's partial polling recovery and his recent campaign-trail performance.Get our special episode on the 4th Presidential Debate on:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/reformasi/extrasSupport us on buymeacoffee.com/reformasi