023. David Peter Stroh: Systems, Design, and Social Change

TODAY'S GUEST   David Peter Stroh is the bestselling author of Systems Thinking for Social Change: A Practical Guide for Solving Complex Problems, Avoiding Unintended Consequences, and Achieving Lasting Results.   For the past 40 years, David has helped leaders to apply systems thinking to organizational strategy, and achieve breakthrough, sustainable change. He is a founding partner of the influential consulting firm Bridgeway Partners, a faculty member of the Academy for Systems Change, and a charter member of the Society for Organizational Learning.   EPISODE SUMMARY   In this conversation we talk about: How he was exposed as a child to both natural and urban complexity growing up in Inwood, at the very northern tip of Manhattan, NY. How he fell in love with transportation systems, but ended up studying Organization Development at MIT. How his search for greater impact and a seat at the table led him down the Systems Thinking path, and eventually to founding a consulting firm alongside Charlie Kiefer, Robert Fritz, and Peter Senge, later of The Fifth Discipline fame. We also discuss: What’s a system, and what’s systems thinking? Why do complex systems often yield unintended consequences? What are the benefits of systems thinking, especially in the world of impact? What does it tell us about wealth inequality and poverty? And why David has come to see systems thinking as an almost spiritual practice?   David’s book and his blog are must reads for anyone interested in making deep and lasting positive impact, and avoid undesirable consequences. And this conversation can serve as a good, and I think, exciting intro to the topic.   So let's jump right in with David Peter Stroh.   TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS   [3:34] Life During Covid [6:00] The Advantages of Various Points of View [12:17] The Birth of Innovation Associates [18:05] Defining Systems Thinking [22:57] The Role of Intent In Systems [33:32] The Benefits of The Systems Thinking Approach In Creating Change [42:56] The Spiritual Aspects of Systems Thinking [59:03] A Sermon for Those Who Wish to Create Change   EPISODE LINKS David's Links 🌍 BridgewayPartners.com 🌍 Bridgeway Partners' Blog 📘 Systems Thinking For Social Change: A Practical Guide to Solving Complex Problems, Avoiding Unintended Consequences, and Achieving Lasting Results 📝 Overcoming the Systemic Challenges of Wealth Inequality in the U.S. 🌍 Applied Systems Thinking 💼 LinkedIn: LinkedIn Profile 📣 Twitter: @davidpeterstroh 📺 YouTube Channel ABOUT US Remake Podcast: Visit us: RemakePod.org 🙏🏻 Rate the show on iTunes 🙏🏻 Support us! Join the Podcast Member community 💌 Share your thoughts: [email protected] 👉 Listen or Subscribe to the show: Apple Podcasts・Google Podcasts・RadioPublic・Overcast・Stitcher・PocketCasts・Castro・SoundCloud・Spotify・YouTube・Deezer Remake Labs:  RemakeLabs.com・Medium・LinkedIn・Community・Twitter・Facebook・Instagram Eran Dror:  EranDror.com・LinkedIn・Twitter・Medium

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Remake is a podcast about Design, Systems, and Society. And I'm Eran Dror, a product designer and researcher of eastern religions. In each episode I interview someone who’s trying to change our lives for the better in some meaningful way, whether through a new product, new venture, or new way of looking at the world, and I try to understand how they came to it, what makes them tick, and what we all can learn from them. I truly believe Design is strategic, that it goes to the core, that it's at the root of what it means to be human. In this show we explore an expansive view of design, and cover Systems Thinking, Social Innovation, Secular spirituality, and the future.