Rolling out big ideas: Sir Geoff Mulgan and James Plunkett

Why is the idea of a four-day working week seen as radical? What did the pandemic teach us about the role of science in politics and the reality of human interdependence? English thinkers Geoff Mulgan and James Plunkett are currently in Aotearoa as Australia & New Zealand School of Government visiting fellows. They join Susie Ferguson to discuss some of the big challenges and opportunities for governments in the next decades.