Episode 31: Shame - with Joseph Burgo

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Sense of Mind Podcast Episode 31 - Shame - with Joseph Burgo Watch full video: https://youtu.be/8wpnL0gjKNE Shame is an unpleasant emotion we have all experienced at one point or another. Most of us know it as the feeling associated with knowing that we’ve done something wrong–that our actions were not aligned with our values. In this way, as my interview guest Dr. Joseph Burgo argues, shame can be a positive emotion, because truly understanding why you feel ashamed can help you to grow to be the person you want to be. Moreover, he argues that shame is better thought of as the whole family of unpleasant self-conscious emotions, including guilt and simply feeling bad about yourself or who you are. Joe Burgo has been practicing psychotherapy for nearly 40 years and currently works by Zoom with clients all over the world. He has also published a half dozen books, fiction and non-fiction, including most recently BUILDING SELF-ESTEEM: How Learning from Shame Helps Us to Grow. In this interview, I speak with Dr. Burgo about shame from his unique perspective as a therapist. Make sure to grab a copy of Dr. Burgo’s book, “Building Self-Esteem: How Learning from Shame Helps Us Grow” https://www.amazon.com/Building-Self-Esteem-Learning-Shame-Helps/dp/0997592028/ Note: This book also has an alternative title that I referred to in the video (“Shame: Free Yourself, Find Joy, and Build True Self-Esteem”) but I would urge you to buy the one linked above, because Dr. Burgo does not own the rights to this second, alternatively titled version (and therefore it will help him more if you purchase the one linked above!). However, if you want the audio version, it is only available as the alternative title (“Shame”). Dr. Burgo’s article, “Why Liberals should oppose the lockdown” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shame/202004/why-liberals-should-oppose-the-lockdown -- Chapters: 00:00 Shame is an unpleasant emotion we have all experienced. 01:07 Shame: free yourself, find joy and build true self esteem, by Joseph Burgo 03:00 Joseph Burgo on shame (vs SHAME) 05:30 The difference between guilt and shame 06:33 Core shame 11:08 Still face experiment 13:33 Shame in parenting 15:45 What causes us to feel shame? 16:55 Shame and anxiety 18:09 Shame and procrastination 19:09 Does shame encourage addiction and promiscuity? 20:50 Self hatred and shame 23:29 Narcissism and toxic shame 26:15 The utility of shame in society and our personal lives 30:18 Cancel culture as public shaming 34:23 Covid-19 lockdowns and public shaming 42:04 Joe Burgo's background 48:10 How the mind/brain works and develops (according to Joe Burgo) 51:07 Dr. Burgo’s book recommendation: “Sapiens,” by Yuval Noah Harari -- Connect, Follow and Subscribe! Linktree: https://linktr.ee/senseofmind Sign up for the video version: https://mailchi.mp/d76edf98390b/sense-of-mind-newsletter-sign-up-page Link to all of our video newsletters: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC92ipyM9i9L_9yna8Jn6eM5RSQmNbSJj Subscribe to the Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC610T-s8gpOVDtAVXTZ35FQ?sub_confirmation=1 Website: www.Senseofmindshow.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sense.ofmind/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/senseofmind/support