Journey Management in 2025: Trends, Challenges, and Predictions / Jochem van der Veer / Ep. #218

First of all, I want to wish you a very happy 2025. We're starting the new year with a bang. Journey Management has been a hot topic for the last two years, and for good reason. The shift from mapping to management might seem small, but it's a major change in how we and our clients approach things. If you've been following the Show for a while, you know we are keeping up with these developments as they unfold. So, I thought it would be great to invite a good friend and long-time partner of the Show, Jochem van der Veer, back to kick 2025 off with some predictions. As CEO of TheyDo, Jochem is building one of the most innovative companies in this space. So I think it's fair to say that he has a front-row seat to how companies are adopting (or not) Journey Management. In this conversation, we discuss how journey management has evolved, the challenges of scaling it, which organizations are succeeding, and what's next (including AI's influence). Oh, and we announce a new conference... Join us for a great episode that's going to give you a head start on your Journey Management journey this year. What are YOUR predictions for this year? Leave a comment on YouTube (or Spotify). It'll be fun to revisit them next year 🙂 Enjoy the conversation, and once again Happy 2025! Take care, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to episode 218 05:00 Looking back at the previous episode 06:45 Market shifts 09:00 Churn discussion 13:45 What's changed in TheyDo 15:45 Unexpected design challenges 19:30 Journey Management cornerstones 21:00 Automating everything 25:00 Jochem's Journey Management view 29:00 Journey as a tool 33:15 Cross-Functional challenges 36:00 Prioritization rituals 39:30 Customer alignment 45:00 Team adoption patterns 48:30 Specific problem solving 50:00 Industry roadblock 53:30 2026 hopes 54:30 Upcoming Conference 1:02:00 Jochem's 2025 outlook 1:03:00 Chat interface 1:07:00 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jochemvanderveer/ https://www.theydo.com/beyond-the-map --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle