'Whatever We Have, We Have to Work With It.'

Sugar Calling - A podcast by The New York Times

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Arts Society & Culture

Cheryl calls Alice Walker, the poet and novelist, at her home in Mendocino, California. They talk about ancestors, solitude and the time it takes to heal. Cheryl asks Alice about her dreams, and the two discuss suffering and resilience — via the late boxing world-champion Muhammad Ali.