Simone and Malcolm Collins: the pro-birthers trying to grow populations

Last year, billionaire Elon Musk tweeted that population collapse due to low birth rates is a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming. It is a trend occurring in many countries and although fertility remains high in some regions. Today, close to half of the world's population lives in a country where lifetime fertility rates are below replacement levels - with New Zealand's fertility rate declining by about 25% per decade. Musk's view is shared by others who describe themselves as pronatalists, a movement of pro-birth activists. At the centre are Simone and Malcolm Collins. They are co-founders of nonprofit initiative pronatalist.org, podcasters and authors - who say the situation is a "demographic catastrophe." Yet for those whose only cultural reference point for a pronatalist society is 'The Handmaid's Tale' the ideas can seem problematic. Simone and Malcolm Collins join Jim to argue their case.