Ocean Wants: Self-Conscious Fish, featuring Alex Jordan

Fish are compassionate, recognize themselves in the mirror, and fancy designed shelters over natural ones. Recent experiments contest common ideas of what distinguishes humans from smaller, non-mammalian creatures of the sea. Ingo Niermann in conversation with Alex Jordan, Principal Investigator at the Department of Collective Behaviour at the Max Planck Institute in Konstanz, Germany. We speak at this home near Lake Constance. Ocean Wants is a series of ten podcasts that playfully explores how nonhumans could like our planet to be. Conceived and hosted by Ingo Niermann, Ocean Wants was commissioned to celebrate TBA21–Academy’s tenth Anniversary. Commissioned and produced by TBA21–Academy Conceived, hosted, and edited by Ingo Niermann Music composed and arranged by Ville Haimala Intro read by Joan Jonas Credits read by Staci Bu Shea Sound edited by Robin Michel Produced by Ingo Niermann and María Montero Sierra