Episode 72: Teaching Testing and Design

Teaching Testing and Design Guests Betsy Haibel: CTO at Cohere. Blogs at betsyhaibel.com. Avdi Grimm: Head Chef at RubyTapas. Blogs at avdi.codes. Penelope Phippen: Works at Google, makes Rubyfmt, helps make RSpec, and is on the board of Ruby Central. Blog. Summary After the discussions on testing and design in episodes 68 and 69, I had so much I still wanted to talk about in testing, design, and teaching testing and design. So I convened a panel with previous Tech Done Right Guests Avdi Grimm, Betsy Haibel, and Penelope Phippen to help me think through all these topics. I was very happy to have all of them on the show, and I think it's a great conversation. Stay tuned until the very end for an update about the show. Related Episodes with These Guests Avdi: 20 Years of Web Development, Ruby Tapas and Avoiding Code Betsy: Diverse Agile Teams, How Set Design Can Inform Software Architecture Penelope: Code Style and Community, Back in the Testing Weeds, In The Testing Weeds Notes 00:50 - Previously On: Re: Testing Pragmatic Programmer at 20 with Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt Teaching and Learning with Sandi Metz 02:53 - Testing and Design 99 Bottles of OOP 05:43 - TDD Test Driven Development Do We Need Constants 09:36 - Testing, But Not Developer Testing + Sliming The Test WikiWikiWeb 13:41 - Why + How Did You Learn TDD? 20:24 - TDD: Not a Robust Process 24:19 - Rails + Unit Testing 27:41 - Is TDD really dead? 35:06 - Keeping Code In Your Head 37:32 - Approaching the Testing and Design of Code 38:59 - What would convince you to stop doing TDD?Special Guests: Avdi Grimm, Betsy Haibel, and Penelope Phippen.