On game design: Eric Zimmerman, author, "The Rules We Break" from Dec 5, 2022

Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU - A podcast by Mark Hurst and WFMU - Tuesdays

Eric Zimmerman, game designer and author, "The Rules We Break" Tomaš Dvořák - "Game Boy Tune" - "Mark's intro" - "Interview with Eric Zimmerman" [0:05:51] Pink Tiles - "Internet" [0:55:55] https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/122380