The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 04 | Thanksgiving

In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss American Thanksgiving traditions. Transcript: 00:00:00XochitlYou are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast.00:00:13XochitlAlright, Jack, today we are going to be talking about Thanksgiving, which our listeners may or may not know is a family holiday celebrated here in the US.00:00:23XochitlIt traditionally was supposed to commemorate.00:00:27XochitlSharing between the pilgrims and Native Americans, of course, we know that.00:00:32XochitlThat's not historically accurate at all.00:00:35JackRight. Or it's a very oversimplified description of the situation, yeah.00:00:41XochitlThe situation but.00:00:44XochitlToday, it's kind of divorced from its original meaning mostly, and it's kind of just a family holiday where you eat food together. So.00:00:53JackRight.00:00:56XochitlYeah, I want to ask you, our viewers may or may not know there's some typical things you usually eat during Thanksgiving. I would say Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, gravy.00:01:06JackMashed mashed. Yeah.00:01:12XochitlI think those are the ones that like you basically can't skip.00:01:16JackRight.00:01:17XochitlAnd and then each family has. Sorry, go ahead.00:01:18발표자 3It's just.00:01:21JackNo, I was going to say that's exactly right. If there's no stuffing that it doesn't really. It's like that's one really important component of, like, Turkey Mashed potato, stuffing and cranberry sauce like you.00:01:33JackHave to have.00:01:33XochitlLike cranberry sauce gravy gotta have that.00:01:36XochitlAnd then most people have something green, like a green beans or a salad or some kind of green side. But I would feel those are like the.00:01:44XochitlStaples. And then each family has things that pretty much just their family makes. Oh, sweet potato casserole or sweet potatoes. And some preparation is another big popular food. Yeah.00:01:49JackRight.00:01:55XochitlI would say for the ones that my family makes, it's Kush which is like a cornbread dish with hard boiled eggs and green onion.00:02:06XochitlAnd then oysters, which is like oysters, literally strained canned oysters in a casserole dish with like, a bread crumb topping.00:02:18XochitlIt's really good, you know both.00:02:18발표자 3OK.00:02:20XochitlOf them sound weird, but they're both really delicious.00:02:22JackYeah, yeah. I mean we, our, our weird one was lesa because we're the Scandinavian, right? My, my fan no left side is like a a potato pancake with just it just literally has butter on it and then sugar and then you roll it, roll it up. Yeah. I mean it's it's.00:02:40XochitlThat sounds good.00:02:44JackIt's full on, like causes diabetes, you.00:02:47JackKnow what I?00:02:47JackMean like you could trace it right back to to that. But but it's so good. It tastes so good.00:02:48발표자Right.00:02:55XochitlRight. So my oh, and my thing is ever since I started making the Thanksgiving spread pretty much on my own, I started doing this since I was about 24 every year, I pretty much make the whole spread on my own. This year, my mom made the oysters, which were probably the best thing, actually.00:03:16XochitlBesides that, I've pretty much made everything else myself.00:03:20XochitlAnd ever since I started making this spread myself, I only make fried chicken instead of Turkey.00:03:26JackOK, wow. Alright. A substitution. A different bird. Yeah.00:03:30발표자Yes. Yeah.00:03:32XochitlYeah, I just Turkey is like a lot for a kind of smaller family gathering. I don't like the flavor as much. And then for like, one person cooking most of the main dishes, it's really hard for, like, one person to prepare the Turkey on their own pretty much.00:03:48JackAnd everyone likes fried chicken.00:03:49XochitlIs this something?00:03:51JackI mean you can.00:03:52XochitlOhh yeah.00:03:53XochitlCome on.00:03:54발표자 3You know.00:03:55XochitlCan't go wrong.00:03:57JackFor for I prefer the Turkey like I'm a I'm a purist. OK, so.00:03:57XochitlHow about you do you?00:03:58발표자Sorry, go ahead.00:04:03XochitlYou're freaking furious. Wow. Betrayed.00:04:06JackI'm a I'm a.00:04:07JackThanksgiving purist like I I need my my Turkey. I I, I and I'm I'm the worst. Like I'm I'm such a typical American that I like the breast like that. You know the white meat which is like everyone knows it.00:04:22발표자 3No, you betrayed.00:04:25JackThat's the least flavor and the and it's the driest part.00:04:29JackOf the of the bird.00:04:31JackBut I it's just like a tradition, like I when I was a kid, you know, we were picky. We I didn't want the dark meat. I wanted only the, you know, pure the muscle part, you know, just the the whitest of the white meat and a big old slice of it, you know.00:04:31발표자 3That's the.00:04:51JackHeaping slice of of of dry as.00:04:55JackWhite, white meat. Turkey. Yeah. Turkey breast.00:04:59XochitlYeah. Yeah, I'm.00:05:00XochitlThe opposite, even as a kid, I always like dark meat, so I'd always want the Turkey leg. And now that I can make it on myself, I'm like, why would I even make Turkey when there's better proteins out there like fried chicken?00:05:04JackRight.00:05:12XochitlYeah, just and.00:05:13XochitlThen you can.00:05:14XochitlIt's so easy to make gravy with the fried chicken.00:05:17XochitlLike so. That's just it just knocks out two birds with one stone. Haha. Pun intended.00:05:24XochitlAnd yeah, so.00:05:25XochitlTo me. So. So you're on the opposite.00:05:28XochitlOK, other unpopular Thanksgiving opinion? I did not know. I was on the unpopular end of this one.00:05:35XochitlI prefer homemade cranberry sauce to canned. I won't even eat the canned stuff. It's nasty.00:05:40JackNo, no, no, no.00:05:41XochitlHow about you?00:05:42JackI'm again. I'm a purist. I.00:05:44JackIt has to come out of a can. It has to make the like plopping sound.00:05:48JackYou know where you like it, kind of like.00:05:53JackYou know, it falls on the plate. Like if it doesn't make that kind of weird sound when it comes out of the can as it slides out of the can. I'm not eating it. I mean, I'll eat it. Of course I.00:06:03XochitlOh my God.00:06:04JackWould eat it. I'm I'm not.00:06:05JackI'm not rude, but but I prefer that kind of Jelly cranberry sauce.00:06:11JackFrom the can.00:06:13JackAnd I don't know. For me, it's like the perfect combination to the kind of salty, savory gravy and mashed potatoes. Then you get that super sweet, almost like a gel, gelatin, kind of cranberry sauce, you know, I know it's really crazy.00:06:30XochitlOh my.00:06:31XochitlGod, so I lost.00:06:33JackRight.00:06:34XochitlSo much respect for.00:06:35XochitlYou I cannot. My dad always.00:06:38XochitlMade it from scratch and I started making it from scratch. It's so easy. You just open a couple of bags of crap.00:06:44XochitlBerries with a little bit.00:06:46XochitlOf water, boil it in a pot with some sugar and I like to add in a little bit of I squeeze half an orange in there.00:06:53XochitlAt the end.00:06:54JackOh, a little citrus, a little little, a little zest.00:06:57JackTo it or something a little.00:06:58XochitlYeah, a little citrus zest and umm, it is pretty sweet. I try to add enough sugar so that it's not.00:07:05XochitlToo sour and try.00:07:07XochitlTo make it.00:07:07XochitlEat, of course. Cranberries themselves kind of have a naturally bitter sour flavor, like they're also bitter.00:07:14XochitlYou know, but I I just prefer that so much that I honestly, I the canned stuff makes me gag. I hate the texture.00:07:22JackI love that texture. It's like Jelly or jello.00:07:22XochitlAnd it's like.00:07:25XochitlOh God.00:07:26JackOr something gelatin. I know it's.00:07:28JackIt's some gross too.00:07:30XochitlOh my God, no I can't.00:07:35XochitlGo ahead.00:07:35JackWell, I'm. I'm just trying to think like, why?00:07:37JackDo I like?00:07:37JackIt do I like it because it makes me. It's because of sentimentality. Or is it because I actually like the taste? And I think it might be a combination of both it.00:07:48JackThat's what we had when I was growing up. So that's what I want. When I have a Thanksgiving dinner.00:07:56JackBut I wouldn't. You know, I would not be disappointed if someone brought in like a homemade cranberry sauce made from scratch. I mean, I'm not. I'm not in insane person. Like, I would definitely enjoy that and appreciate it. I just. I'm totally satisfied with the can. I guess that.00:07:57XochitlRight.00:08:14JackAnd like look.00:08:15JackHere's the thing about the can.00:08:17JackIt's like.00:08:19JackIt's probably 95% sugar.00:08:22JackYou know, 5% cranberries. You know what I mean? Like, it's probably just a sugar bomb, and that's why it's so sweet. You know, like yours is a much healthier version of it.00:08:22XochitlIt is, it's almost spring.00:08:33JackYou know, and it's probably.00:08:34JackGot of numerous chemicals in there too. To preserve it, you know, because.00:08:39XochitlYeah, to me, get that texture.00:08:41JackYeah. Well, the texture that does not exist in.00:08:42발표자 3It's like.00:08:44JackNature at all.00:08:45XochitlYeah, it's horrible. God congealed.00:08:45발표자 3Just, yeah.00:08:48XochitlOhh no, I just can't.00:08:49JackYeah. Congeal cranberry juice.00:08:49XochitlI can't.00:08:52XochitlYeah. Oh, my God. No other one. I wanna ask you, Jack.00:08:58XochitlPumpkin pie? Is it overrated? And do you prefer another dessert? I didn't make a dessert this year. I had too many other things to do. I personally just. I don't. I didn't want to make pumpkin pie. I was going to use leftover cranberry sauce with apples to make, like, a cranberry apple crumble.00:09:16발표자 3Right.00:09:17XochitlAnd I also am thinking I have some cans for like canned pumpkin pie and I was gonna make into like a pumpkin pudding with like layers. You know how people make banana pudding with the layers of cookies. I think I'm gonna make a pumpkin pudding pudding with.00:09:35XochitlBut I just personally don't like pumpkin pie. I feel like the textures texture is always kind of off.00:09:41XochitlIt tastes kind of like tofu or something, and it's like it's not sweet enough. It's just not. It's not.00:09:47XochitlMy cup of.00:09:48XochitlTea. How do you feel about it?00:09:50JackI love pumpkin pie.00:09:53XochitlWe're on opposite, we're on opposite spectrum today.00:09:56JackWe're we're having two completely different meals right now.00:10:00발표자 3Yes. Yeah.00:10:03JackI. So here's the.00:10:03XochitlMine is better. Mine is a better meal.00:10:04JackThing when I was a kid, I didn't like pumpkin pie cause I was just like, it's like a it was a vegetable and it's like a vegetable pie, you know, like it.00:10:13JackIt just seemed odd to me because I when I think of pie, I think of fruit pies, right or pecan pie, something like that with with nuts.00:10:22XochitlAnd yeah.00:10:23JackUM, so my mom would always make a pecan pie and A and a pumpkin pie. Or my grandmother would make an apple pie, and I would always choose the apple pie, obviously, because I mean, apple pie is clearly the winner.00:10:38XochitlI actually don't like apple pie. The texture is nasty to me. It's like hot apples. No thanks.00:10:43JackOhh yeah no, I like that too. Yeah, that's that's funny because.00:10:46XochitlWow, just like I want to know, at the end of this, all our listeners pause right now and write a comment down below.00:10:54XochitlWho? This house?00:10:54XochitlWould you rather eat at mine or Jack? Mine is the right answer. I'll.00:10:57XochitlLet you guys know.00:11:00JackIf you want, if you want the authentic 1985 American Thanksgiving, you come to my house. But.00:11:07XochitlOh my God.00:11:08JackSocial is, you know.00:11:09JackYounger and you guys are. You know, you've been watching Top Chef for your whole life, you know, so, you know, you guys are like, I'm gonna make a an apple cranberry crumble, you know, with a citrus. Yeah. And.00:11:11XochitlDo an improved.00:11:15XochitlThat's so true.00:11:21발표자Oh my God, you got me. You got me.00:11:27JackBut I, but I I appreciate I respect it. I I do. I mean, I know that yours culinary yours is a a culinary delight and mine is like a just a traditional kind of gruel like a you know a meal that.00:11:43JackYou know.00:11:44XochitlYou're like big Midwestern energy.00:11:47JackI do. I I'm.00:11:47XochitlLike the big white like white.00:11:50XochitlIf you want to like white middle class Midwestern meal, it's like Jack's house is the where it's at.00:11:55JackOh my gosh, we are we. We are the epitome of the right white middle class Midwestern, you know, we're big farmers and we like our big birds, you know, like a big Turkey and a giant mountain of mashed potatoes with like, you know, a lava.00:12:15JackFlow of gravy. You know, coming down that mountain of mashed potatoes with a big old plop of cranberry sauce. And I'm trying to think like, what my.00:12:17XochitlIn the middle.00:12:25JackMy mother used to make.00:12:27JackThis one, you'll know like this is a a traditional 1A sweet potato casserole with marshmallow.00:12:34JackMelted on the top.00:12:36XochitlYes. So my mom and my grandma on my dad's side both make this and I.00:12:44XochitlI well, my grandma actually has started making it a little differently. She doesn't put the marshmallows on it anymore, but I personally think my sweet potatoes are the best. I mean, I'm kind of arrogant because I definitely think I'm the best cook in the family. My, my grandma actually on my dad's side has some really great recipes. I'm like, I'm gonna hang out around Christmas. I'm definitely gonna collect a bunch.00:13:02XochitlOf recipes because she has some good ones.00:13:05XochitlBut for me?00:13:07XochitlI like to make candied yams.00:13:09XochitlInstead of the sweet potato casserole.00:13:11JackOK. Yeah, that, that's cool.00:13:12XochitlAnd I put.00:13:12XochitlLike cinnamon and cardamom in it, and it's really good. I I really enjoy it.00:13:17JackThat I would. I would really enjoy that. You know, I I live in Korea now where this. I've never done this before until I lived in Korea. I just eat hate or I like to eat just a plain sweet.00:13:32JackYeah, I just put it in the oven. Bake it.00:13:36JackAnd I don't add.00:13:37JackAny sugar I add nothing, and I even eat the skin of it and it's just got lots of fiber and nutrients and you know, it's high in carbohydrates, but.00:13:47XochitlYeah, that's popular in Mexico too. There's a thumb up there which is like a guy that sells sweet potatoes, and he goes by and you can hear his sweet potato.00:13:57XochitlCart whistling and he goes. Come on, come up.00:13:59JackOh, nice.00:14:01XochitlThis and he's.00:14:02XochitlLike calling out sweet potatoes, sweet potato in that voice and that, like, annoying like, come on. Sounds like that. And people come running out of their houses. Go grab sweet potato. Roasted sweet potato. Yeah.00:14:05발표자 3That's right.00:14:09발표자Yeah, yeah.00:14:13JackTo get a sweet potato.00:14:16JackI I love them. I think it's great. I mean, you know, it made me think like, why do we?00:14:20JackDress up the sweet potato.00:14:23JackYou know, like with with melted, you know, marshmallows.00:14:24XochitlRight.00:14:28JackOn top it's.00:14:28XochitlWater is.00:14:28JackLike putting sugar on sugar. You know what I mean? Like it, it doesn't need. Yeah.00:14:31XochitlYeah, it's sweet.00:14:34XochitlI think my.00:14:35XochitlTheory about why we do that in the US.00:14:37XochitlIs that our?00:14:38XochitlOur viewers have never been the US might not know this or our listeners, but I think the produce is a lot less flavorful in the US, which is crazy because the US has optimal growing conditions. But because of how our food supply chain works, we pick most things before they're fully ripe.00:14:57XochitlAnd treat them with a bunch of chemicals so they'll last and they'll have a really long shelf life. And so because of this, most things that you're buying like don't have the sweet, the natural sweetness that they would in other.00:15:01발표자 3Right.00:15:10XochitlLike in Mexico, if you're going to eat a pineapple or strawberry or something, it tastes really sweet. And in Korea as well, if you have strawberries, they're like, really sweet and delicious and succulent. And in the US, you're gonna get this giant strawberry the size of my.00:15:23XochitlFist it's going to be so.00:15:24JackRight. But it tastes like a glass of water, you know.00:15:27XochitlIt's flavorless. It's like it's like chewing on the.00:15:30XochitlAs of fibrous.00:15:31XochitlWater. It's nasty.00:15:33JackRight, right. It looks beautiful. Like a a picturesque strawberry from a commercial that it. It tastes like a like you said. A fibrous glass of water. Like it's just got nothing. Yeah.00:15:44XochitlYeah, it's nasty.00:15:47XochitlYeah. Anyway, I guess those are unpopular food. Well, you have to tell me first before we, before we transition to the next one. What do you like about pumpkin pie? Because I think I.00:15:57XochitlUsed to I.00:15:57XochitlUsed to pretend to like it as a kid because I felt like I.00:15:59XochitlWas supposed to like.00:16:01XochitlIt and I really didn't because it's kind of.00:16:04XochitlBland and texturally it, it tastes like whipped tofu.00:16:08XochitlAnd I like pumpkin, can't in Mexico, we have like candied pumpkin. You cut it into slices and you Stew it with a bunch of, like, brown sugar and spices.00:16:19XochitlAnd then you just eat. Eat it.00:16:21XochitlLike that, and it tastes really good.00:16:23XochitlBecause actually the flavor penetrates it fully, but with pumpkin pie, it's like hard to whip it into pie form and have the flavor fully.00:16:33XochitlIt's not like it's.00:16:33JackYeah, if you're making it from scratch, you know, like, like there there, you could make it like you can just buy the already whipped up.00:16:33XochitlLike not speeding much.00:16:43JackPumpkin, I don't know what you call, like the filling part, right? You can buy it in.00:16:47XochitlYeah, but I'm sure that's how you guys made it back home, right? Because, well, my my dad actually made it from scratch sometimes, and I that was even worse. It tasted like stringing. It's totally. Yeah. Like it isn't worth it. Look, stringy, pumpkin. Ohh. No, I just.00:16:51JackI'm sure.00:16:56JackMore like pumpkin.00:17:03JackDon't. Don't use leftover Jackal Lantern.00:17:06XochitlThen my dad did that. My dad would literally do that would use like leftover Jack Lynch and he would like, freeze it or something and then just like, make like five of the.00:17:14XochitlLater it was.00:17:14XochitlLike stringy. Ohh God.00:17:16JackYeah, that's right.00:17:18발표자 3What do you?00:17:19XochitlYeah. What do you like about pumpkin pie though cause?00:17:22XochitlI feel like.00:17:23XochitlYou like when you buy it in a can form or you buy it premade from the store. That's like the best version and it's.00:17:28XochitlStill not good to me.00:17:29JackBecause it's it's loaded with.00:17:30JackSugar, I think all of these things are are just completely loaded the sugar. So I I like pumpkin pie because, well, actually I didn't start liking it till.00:17:43JackI was an adult. It's kind of.00:17:44JackLike one of those things that I grew into. So I started with.00:17:50JackYou know, eating just apple pie or pecan.00:17:53JackPie. When I was a kid.00:17:55JackAnd then as an.00:17:56JackAdult. I'm like I'm going to try a slice of pumpkin pie. I like it with whipped cream on top, which is kind of cheating, right? It's like I. What do I like more? Do I like the pumpkin or do I like the whipped cream? But if you get if you get a a.00:18:05XochitlYeah, my sister covers everything.00:18:11JackIf you get whipped cream and pumpkin pie together.00:18:13JackIn one on the spoon.00:18:15JackThen it's tolerable.00:18:19JackBut like, I think you're right.00:18:20JackI think pumpkin.00:18:21JackPie is like at its best is just tolerable.00:18:24XochitlIt's like mid, you know, slang in mid like it's just in the like mid range like it's not amazing, it's not horrible. It's just mid like the best pumpkin pie is mid to me.00:18:34JackRight, right. The best one big pie is is is is.00:18:38JackNot better than the worst blueberry pie, yeah.00:18:39XochitlOf great.00:18:41XochitlYes. Oh, my God. Blueberry pie is my favorite. I like to make that for Christmas though. But yeah, I was gonna. That was.00:18:45JackYeah, blueberry pie.00:18:47XochitlGoing to be my other question to you is like, do you eat it loaded with with, with with cream which?00:18:52XochitlYou said you.00:18:53XochitlDo because my sister. That's how she eats it. She just. She's like eating whipped cream pie with some pumpkin on it. And. And just like at that point, you do, you just like to have an excuse to eat a ton of whip cream that has, like, a slight.00:19:08XochitlAnd slavery.00:19:11JackYou know, I I actually.00:19:13JackI do enjoy it like I like.00:19:15JackWhen you when you.00:19:16JackWhen you get like.00:19:18JackLike I said, like a like a spoon of whipped cream and a bit of pumpkin filling and then some of that nice breaded crust.00:19:27XochitlYeah, the question is.00:19:27JackIt all in one.00:19:28JackBite it is a very.00:19:29JackNice like I do like it. I do. It's.00:19:32JackLike I'll I'll.00:19:33JackI'll really enjoy a Costco pumpkin pie with my wife, like we'll get the the whipped cream and we'll buy the pumpkin pie and I'll have a slice. You know, every night until it's gone, you know.00:19:47XochitlRight.00:19:49JackYou're right. Like, I mean, if I were, you know, of all the pastries that you could choose in the world, why, why do we choose pumpkin pie? I think again, it's. It goes back to, like, sentimentality. It kind of reminds me of home. It, like, makes me feel like I'm back in America eating a Thanksgiving dessert.00:20:09JackSo it's more like a nostalgic eat than like a ohh this is the taste is wonderful. Like I just love the taste, which is kind of stupid. I mean it's it's a weird thing to eat.00:20:21JackFor nostalgia purposes, then to.00:20:24XochitlBut it's such a.00:20:25XochitlSpecific flavor. It's like of course that it would bring up, because if you're eating like a hot dog, I mean, you can get that anywhere kind.00:20:33XochitlOf but like.00:20:34XochitlOr, you know, Mac and cheese, but it's just brings back a certain holiday memory to have the pumpkin pie.00:20:41발표자 3I think that's.00:20:42JackWhat it is? I mean, it's like it's like eating a a childhood memory like. But it's the. But The funny thing is I never started eating pumpkin pie till I was an adult. So it's just like, put the smell and and I don't know.00:20:50XochitlAn yeah.00:20:56JackI've I've probably had a few.00:20:56발표자The memory.00:20:57발표자 3This is.00:20:58XochitlYeah, when you're eating it, it just reminds you of Thanksgiving, which is an logic memory for us in the US, yeah.00:21:02발표자 3Right.00:21:05JackYeah, I've only had. I've only had maybe 2 Thanksgiving meals in the last 20.00:21:13JackFour years probably. I remember I had a neighbor from America and he invited me over on Thanksgiving, and he was trying to make a Thanksgiving.00:21:23JackYou know in Korea and he was an American guy. He was worked on the military base, so he got a bird. Sorry, we bird is slang for Turkey.00:21:33XochitlFor tricky.00:21:34JackYeah, that's how.00:21:35JackMidwest, am I right now he. So he got a Turkey and he got a bird and made mashed potatoes and stuff and we.00:21:39XochitlWe got a burn.00:21:43JackBut it was really awkward like.00:21:44JackI didn't really want to.00:21:45JackBe there. I was just like I.00:21:47XochitlOhh no wait. Why was it awkward? Because.00:21:50XochitlThis brings us to our next.00:21:50JackI wasn't really close to him that much.00:21:52JackI think he was trying to like reach out and and I was just kind of like, you know, my wife's not here. She was at work and I'm.00:21:59JackJust sitting there.00:22:00JackAt this like guys house eating Thanksgiving food.00:22:03JackGood. But we're we're we're both.00:22:05XochitlAre you with anyone else?00:22:07JackNo, it was just like me and him. And like his kid, I think was there maybe his wife. I can't. No. Yeah, it was really awkward. And I was just like.00:22:11XochitlThat's really awkward.00:22:17JackYeah, I I was. We were.00:22:18JackWe were both just trying to to recreate our own childhood memory, you know, to go back to our past and try to create something over here. And I I realized that it's just not. You can't do it. Like it doesn't work. You have to. You need a you need a group of people.00:22:37JackThat are all really gung ho, like excited about.00:22:43JackAbout trying to be creative Thanksgiving. So what you need is like a lot of foreigners, you know. And so when you get a lot of foreigners together, they'll they'll put together a big old like you said, a spread like a spread. It's like a a lot of a lot of different foods. And you can do a big Thanksgiving feast. But.00:22:48XochitlRight.00:22:55XochitlRight.00:23:03JackWhen it's just.00:23:03JackLike me, I tried to do that with my daughter.00:23:06JackAnd my wife. But it was just it's it's just too difficult so.00:23:11JackI just said you.00:23:12JackKnow what? We'll we'll celebrate the Korean Harvest Festival, which is the tussock holiday and all.00:23:21JackYou know, forget about the Thanksgiving one, but hopefully someday in the future, before I die, I would love to go back and have, like, a proper Thanksgiving dinner in America. That would be. That's one of my dreams.00:23:37XochitlNo matter where I am, I always make the Thanksgiving. So I wasn't in Korea for that Thanksgiving, but I was in Mexico, and I did make the spread, but it was just me doing it by myself.00:23:49XochitlAnd one of my friends who came, like, insulted my food. I really wanted to kick her out at that point. I was like, don't insult like it just made me so mad because I worked so hard to make everything. And yeah, it was really mean.00:23:59JackThat's awful. What?00:24:03JackDoes she doesn't understand Thanksgiving or she's she's not American?00:24:07XochitlShe doesn't know she's not American, but I don't.00:24:10발표자 3OK.00:24:11XochitlI don't know. It was just it was weird, but I think later she felt bad about it. But I was like, I was mad. I.00:24:16XochitlWas like OK.00:24:17XochitlWell, you don't have to eat.00:24:19JackYou just pulled the.00:24:20XochitlIt just like, yeah, so.00:24:20JackMom card. Well, then yeah, no desserts for you. No, pumpkin pie. No pumpkin crumble. Crumble cake for you.00:24:29XochitlOK.00:24:29XochitlBut the thing that I did mess up and this was before she even got to that part. So this is not what she was criticizing. I undercooked the chicken.00:24:38XochitlMy God, it was so funny because I didn't realize the the elevation makes cooking time for meat and everything different.00:24:46JackNo, I didn't know.00:24:47XochitlYeah. I mean, no. Yeah, I didn't know that. And so the chicken was like undercooked, but it still went well, I think, because the sides were all really delicious, even though the the chicken was undercooked. And my boyfriend came the next day, and he we have leftovers together. And he really liked the food. And I reheated the chicken, so it cooked.00:24:47발표자 3That either.00:25:07XochitlAll the way through.00:25:08발표자 3So it's like.00:25:08발표자Yeah, they.00:25:09JackYeah. You don't wanna give anyone the.00:25:10JackHot chicken well.00:25:12발표자 3The thing that.00:25:12JackI think we're forgetting about Thanksgiving is the leftovers.00:25:16JackBecause there's nothing like a the the Turkey sandwich. You know, the Turkey gravy sandwich the next day. So you take a piece of bread and you heat up the uh, you heat, you heat up the Turkey and you heat up the the gravy and then you put the Turkey on the bread and then you do pour.00:25:38JackGravy on it and it soaks into the bread.00:25:41JackAnd then you.00:25:41JackEat that Turkey sandwich with the the bread you know soaked the gravy soaked bread and that is even better than Thanksgiving.00:25:54JackIn my.00:25:55발표자Right.00:25:56XochitlYeah. See, I've never eaten leftovers like that. I hear a lot of Americans eat like the Turkey sandwich and stuff for us. We would just reheat everything and eat it again. Yeah, but it's so good because sometimes flavors, like, have a chance to meld more together in a dish within a dish. Like.00:26:13XochitlAnd so the next day.00:26:13JackThey just gets better and better.00:26:16XochitlYeah. It's like more flavorful. So yeah, I I really like the leftovers, and I think it's the best part is like, you can eat.00:26:22XochitlThat food for.00:26:23XochitlLike 3 days and you don't have to worry about making new food. One thing I like to do is just like add on. So since I do everything by myself now.00:26:31XochitlI do things in.00:26:32XochitlShifts. So like the first round was like.00:26:35XochitlFried chicken, mashed potatoes, stuffing, oysters, green beans, cranberry sauce and the 2nd shift was like sweet potatoes. Kush like just I made different dishes each so we could just like bring them together.00:26:49JackRight.00:26:50XochitlThe next day.00:26:50JackYou know, it's, uh, it's the best. I mean I it I.00:26:54JackKnow a lot of people.00:26:56JackMy friend Kevin, you, you know, Kevin, his favorite holiday is Thanksgiving by far, like he likes it more than Christmas. He likes it more than any other holiday. I think it's because of that, like eating and drinking together and the.00:27:12JackI don't know it it.00:27:13JackPuts you in a like.00:27:14JackYou know it's supposed to be a.00:27:15JackTime where you reflect.00:27:17JackOn the year and you're thankful for.00:27:21JackThe things that you have, you know, and I think we forget about that because.00:27:25JackBecause the very next day after Thanksgiving is probably the the the lowest point culturally for us, which is the Black Friday where it's all about consumerism and excess. And you know it's about fist fighting over a, a television that's on, you know, sale.00:27:35XochitlOh my.00:27:45JackYou know, I mean it's like.00:27:48JackSo it's funny how we we flip flop from like this. Really thankful kind of thoughtful mode to the kind of aggressive shopping mode of Black Friday. And so I I think people forget, you know, I I don't.00:28:06JackKnow that's.00:28:07JackI I love Thanksgiving because I I love the food and I love the family. And yeah, it was it. It is a a wonderful holiday. I do. I do love it.00:28:20XochitlWe are kind of forgetting about the other side of the coin though, which is like Thanksgiving family drama, which I feel like always comes out during those times. I saw this really funny meme. That's like, remember to bring up politics during Thanksgiving so you can save on Christmas presents. That was.00:28:28JackRight.00:28:41XochitlI've I think I've had drama every year. Probably my family's a little bit dramatic this year. I got mad because I actually get mad most years.00:28:51발표자That's not new.00:28:53XochitlThis year I got mad because I.00:28:53JackYou cook the food and then you storm off, right?00:28:56XochitlYeah, I like made all the food and then today.00:29:02XochitlI guess it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore, but I think we had a fine Thanksgiving, but then it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore. Today we were, like, reheating stuff.00:29:10XochitlBut I was that.00:29:10XochitlWe were doing it in shifts, so I was supposed to make like.00:29:12XochitlThe stuffing and.00:29:13XochitlSome other stuff today and I was all ready to do.00:29:16XochitlIt. But my grandma like.00:29:19XochitlWas mean. I don't know why she gets in like a bad mood. And this is on my mom's side. And so she like said like.00:29:28XochitlOh my God. Are you going to make more food or something? And it just made me.00:29:32XochitlIt just like, hit a nerve and like, well, you don't have to eat it.00:29:36JackRight, right.00:29:37XochitlYou can just eat your own food if you want.00:29:39XochitlLike you know what I mean? Like.00:29:40XochitlI wasn't making it for her specifically. There's more other people.00:29:44JackNo, it's just it was just kind.00:29:46JackOf a crappy thing to.00:29:47JackSay cause it's just like, well, like why?00:29:51JackYeah, no one's.00:29:53JackForcing food down your your throat, you know it's.00:29:55XochitlYeah, no one's.00:29:56XochitlTrying to make you eat it.00:29:57발표자 3Yeah, yeah.00:29:59XochitlSo I was like, well, you don't have to eat it. Yeah, I was mean. So that made.00:30:02XochitlMe upset and then?00:30:05XochitlI said I wasn't making it anymore. I got mad and said I wasn't making. I wasn't cooking anymore, and then I just didn't cook. My mom supported me and said I didn't have.00:30:12XochitlTo cook, I was like.00:30:12XochitlAlright, good. Me too we.00:30:14XochitlCook. I just it just. I think sometimes it makes me mad and I understand. Like now I kind of see things through a different lens now that I'm older and that the responsibility of making all the food is.00:30:29XochitlI get why?00:30:30XochitlWomen would get so like angry and frustrated during the holidays when I was a kid, like you would see your mom getting.00:30:35XochitlMad and stuff. And you're like you now you realize like, OK, because a lot of people are really unappreciative of all the work that you're putting in to make.00:30:43XochitlAll this food.00:30:45JackRight. And my family's traditional. So my my grandmother, my mom and my aunt, they would all make the food. Although my uncle would make the bird, he would cook the Turkey. He's kind of like at, you know, like, like putting water on it and whatever.00:30:59JackThe you know.00:31:01XochitlYou're basing it? You mean? Yeah, yeah.00:31:01JackPasting it like pasting the Turkey.00:31:04JackUM.00:31:05JackAnd uh.00:31:06JackSo and then afterwards, the men would just sit and watch football and the women had to do all the cleaning as well, so they would be cleaning up in the kitchen and preparing the dessert.00:31:12XochitlYeah, and drink beer.00:31:17XochitlGod yeah.00:31:21JackFor the men and I'm, I'm like, you know, it seemed normal to me at this time and so.00:31:27XochitlIt never seemed normal to me. It made me mad, like ever.00:31:30XochitlSince I think I was always like.00:31:31JackYeah. Well, because I'm, you know, I'm the I'm the lucky gender. You know what I mean? Like, I'm the beneficiary of, like, all this, this tradition, it's like.00:31:31XochitlWhy is everyone? Why the men? Just.00:31:35XochitlRight.00:31:41JackWhat? What do you what?00:31:42JackDo young boys learn they?00:31:43JackLearn to that women do the cooking and the cleaning.00:31:47JackAnd the men do the eating and the football watching.00:31:49XochitlDrinking and the football watching. Yeah. And the I had the same thing happened with my grandma. Another.00:31:51발표자 3Yeah, right.00:31:59XochitlYear which is I made all the food. My dad insisted she didn't want to have a Thanksgiving. This is my grandma. My mom's side. Again. She want to have Thanksgiving because she says that it.00:32:06XochitlAlways ends badly or something and.00:32:10XochitlMy dad insisted that he wanted to do it, but I ended up having to make all the food my dad made like one dish. But I made. I had to make everything else, and then we brought it and then she was like, oh, this is so nice.00:32:20XochitlThank you so much, Tad. Like to my dad.00:32:23XochitlAnd I was like.00:32:27XochitlI was so mad and then my dad did to his ever living credit at least say I didn't make anything. Uh, my daughter made everything. But my grandma already knew.00:32:34JackRight.00:32:35XochitlThat so it.00:32:36XochitlWas just like insult to injury. At that point, I.00:32:39XochitlWas like I.00:32:40XochitlThink it just, it sucks when you make all those food for people and they don't appreciate it. I think that's what like is hard for women too.00:32:46XochitlLike you're under feeling unappreciated for all the effort you put in, cause it's a lot of work to plan everything, all the ingredients and do it all.00:32:55JackThere's there's a trend. I mean, I read articles about this in Korea. So Korea has a a harvest festival called the Chusak holiday. And women are so responsible for everything that they some, some women actually faked like injuries.00:33:15JackLike you would wear like a cast on their arm or something. They're like, oh, I I broke my arm. I can't, you know, attend. I can't do the, you know, the holiday because the holiday.00:33:19발표자Oh yeah.00:33:28JackIt's like it's like worse than your job. It's like a it's like going from what we say. We have an expression in English, like, out of the frying pan, into the fire, kind of. That's the expression. So it's kind of like you get your time off.00:33:42JackFrom work to work harder.00:33:45JackCatering this you know to the needs.00:33:48JackOf all the men in the family.00:33:49JackLike cooking and cleaning and nonstop food preparation and cleaning and childcare.00:33:55JackAnd all these things.00:33:57JackNow I think in recent years, though, it's starting to change, you know, like I think.00:34:03JackThat men are starting to realize, like, OK, if if women are going to work full time jobs.00:34:10JackThen it's only fair to split the the cleaning and the cooking duties. 5050, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's it. That's the lesson that young kids should be learning. Is that like, you have to cooperate together and you know, prepare this this meal. And so I don't know what it has happened in my family.00:34:31JackBecause my family is so spread out now, I think they have their new families, you know? So like all the cousins.00:34:39JackThey all have their family with my aunt and uncle together, and now my aunt, uncle are the grandma and Grandpa and the same with my other family and my parents and my parents are the only ones that really get left out because both of their kids, my brother and I live, you know, thousands of miles away.00:35:00JackSo they so they, we never celebrate Thanksgiving together. And so it's it's one of those things where my you know, when it comes to.00:35:09JackLike the drama of the family I like.00:35:13JackI if if we had like a traditional Thanksgiving where it was like all my my aunts and uncles together now after Donald Trump has been elected, it would be.00:35:24JackOn a like a knock down, drag out battle of like like we'd have to. We have to set ground rules like. No, we will not discuss politics.00:35:36JackBecause, because they're, they won't even talk to me right now. Like they they they haven't talked to me.00:35:36XochitlRight.00:35:42JackIn like years.00:35:44JackLike if I if I send them like like a if I send like a message.00:35:44XochitlBut being less me.00:35:47JackTo them like, hey, happy birthday. Radio silence.00:35:51JackJust nothing, you know, so.00:35:53XochitlYeah, I mean.00:35:54XochitlHonestly, you're better off without racist people in your life.00:35:57XochitlThough I mean.00:35:57XochitlTo me, in my opinion, but you know, it is what it is, but I get it. Yeah, I think that a lot of the modern times are the holidays. Just don't hit the way they used to. Like it just hit different now, like.00:36:13XochitlThey're not. I feel like holidays used to be such a thing.00:36:18XochitlAnd now it just feels really watered down and I can't tell if it's because I'm getting older or if times are just changing. I feel like it's both probably.00:36:26JackI think times are changing. I think people are like realizing like, OK, I've got I work hard and I've got this, this this week off or these three days off and like do I want to be miserable with my family or happy with my friends. And I think young people like millennials and.00:36:42XochitlYeah, fighting out.00:36:47JackAnd Gen. Z people are like you know what? I'm already.00:36:48XochitlAnd the.00:36:53JackI'm already getting screwed over in the economy.00:36:55JackLike I'm not making enough money. I'm you know.00:36:58JackNow I gotta fly home.00:37:01JackTo to to deal with.00:37:01XochitlRight.00:37:02JackThis nonsense, you know, so to listen.00:37:05JackTo my uncle.00:37:06JackYou know, talk about how great Donald Trump is, you know, to, you know, I mean, why would I go home to that? Like I would, you know, so I think I think young people are are are creating their own holiday traditions within their friend group friend groups.00:37:10XochitlRight. Don't.00:37:10XochitlDo that.00:37:23XochitlI'm not feeling.00:37:25XochitlThinking myself.00:37:28XochitlAfter having done the holiday spread three years in a row and never having been appreciated for it once, not once did anyone ever say wow. Thank you. You disagree affected 4 years because it was. I did it when I was 242526 and now 27. So it's technically four different Thanksgiving that I did completely by myself.00:37:46XochitlAnd never, ever anyone ever seemed appreciative at all. At that point, I'm like next time I'm just saving my grocery money and my time and going on a trip somewhere.00:37:56발표자You're going.00:37:57XochitlGoing to bother with it. That's how I.00:38:00JackYeah, go on a cruise or something.00:38:03JackOr go to.00:38:05JackYou know? Yeah, the nice.00:38:07XochitlI don't even get an Airbnb in like the next town over and just drink wine.00:38:13XochitlLike that all day? Not really.00:38:15XochitlBut it's just it's so.00:38:18XochitlKind of demoralizing, I get why people don't want.00:38:20XochitlTo deal with.00:38:22XochitlDeal with it anymore, in a way.00:38:23JackYeah. No, I'm I, I agree 100%. I think it's good, you know? Yeah. Maybe like it's too much. It's it's too much family. It's it's too much, you know, Thanksgiving and then Christmas.00:38:36JackIs right around.00:38:37JackThe corner I think for for young people in their 20.00:38:41JackOne of the one is OK, like just do a Christmas and forgo the Thanksgiving or do the Thanksgiving and skip the Christmas. I don't know, but I think it's OK, yeah.00:38:46XochitlThe thing is.00:38:53XochitlYeah, I did.00:38:54XochitlThanksgiving this year, with my mom's family and I am doing Christmas with my dad's family because my grandpa passed away. So.00:38:59XochitlI want to see my grandma, but next year I'm saving my money both times and just going on a vacation some other time, just like I don't want to be.00:39:00JackRight.00:39:13XochitlI just don't want to be here and deal.00:39:16XochitlComments and have to make all the food and just at the end of the day, no one is happy. It's like I wasn't happy. I put in all this effort and no one appreciated it, and apparently they're not happy that I did all of that. So I'd rather just save my money and go on a on a cruise or a.00:39:32XochitlTrip or something, you know, at the end of the day.00:39:33JackYeah. Yeah. Well.00:39:36발표자 3I mean, I think that's that's that's.00:39:37JackFair. You know, like it's if it's not fun, it's not happy.00:39:43JackWhy are we? We're just doing it. We're just going through the motions of it for no reason. You know? It's just like because because we have to. I think that's what people realize. I think it's what young people in America realized is like, oh, wait, I don't have to do this.00:40:00JackLike nothing is gonna happen, you know, like nothing bad is going to happen. I'm not going.00:40:03XochitlIf I don't.00:40:05JackTo get struck.00:40:06JackBy lightning, if I don't go home for Thanksgiving, but we're so conditioned as children to like.00:40:14JackFollow these these traditions and you know it's they're they're just traditions like you. You can break them. That's fine. Like there's no nothing bad will happen.00:40:26JackYou know it's your family.00:40:27XochitlYeah. And then have something good on.00:40:28JackThey still have.00:40:28JackTo love you, you know.00:40:29XochitlRight, exactly.00:40:32XochitlSo yeah, I don't know. I think for all the young people out there, if you're not feeling it this holiday spirit, you know, don't and don't feel like you're selfish because of it. I think that.00:40:43XochitlWe get to.00:40:43XochitlA little time to relax and actually have vacation and stuff nowadays. It's like you gotta take every chance that you can get.00:40:50JackYeah, yeah, I I agree with that, you know.00:40:55XochitlAll right. Well, if you have a holiday similar to Thanksgiving or Harvest Festival in your culture, tell about it with us. If you also celebrate Thanksgiving, let us know how it's going for you. Do you agree that women usually have to do most of the work? I definitely agree you think. Are you down with that? Are you happy about that?00:41:11발표자And the.00:41:15XochitlOr do you actually want to?00:41:18XochitlStop following the tradition and go on vacation next year or go treat yourself next year. Yeah, and let us know who's house you'd rather eat at mine or jacks, I think.00:41:28XochitlMine is the.00:41:28XochitlRight. One you.00:41:30XochitlWant to get on my good side say.00:41:31XochitlMy my house.00:41:34XochitlYeah. And then leave a comment down.00:41:35XochitlBelow and we will see you guys next time.00:41:38XochitlMake sure follow our podcast Jack and Chill podcast. Check what is our e-mail on our website.00:41:42발표자What you mean?00:41:44JackSo our website is A-Z englishpodcast.com so we're.00:41:48JackStill using the.00:41:49JackA-Z englishpodcast.com website but.00:41:49발표자OK.00:41:52XochitlRight.00:41:52JackYou can send us an e-mail.00:41:54JackYou know A-Z English.00:41:[email protected]:41:57JackOr the Jack and chill [email protected]. Both of those are OK.00:42:03XochitlYeah. 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