Topic Talk | The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 07

In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack talk about medical emergencies.Transcript:00:00:03XochitlJack, you kind of had a scary experience, not kind of. You definitely had a scary experience this week. Do you want?00:00:10XochitlTo tell our viewers about it.00:00:12JackYeah, I would, I.00:00:13JackWould love to to share this. Some of our listeners out there who are students in our world English.00:00:22JackGoogle meets class.00:00:24JackI know that I've I have been absent lately. The last week or so, and about a week ago, my father had a a major heart attack which was terrifying, you know, for our family and when the.00:00:45JackThe doctors did tests and everything they found that basically.00:00:50JackAll the arteries and artery is like it's like a tube that carries blood.00:00:55XochitlAgain, laser vein, right a major vein.00:00:57JackRight. Because your heart pumps.00:00:59JackBlood to the rest of your.00:01:01JackBody and it and blood feeds into the heart and then it pumps out and.00:01:09JackHis his arteries were all blocked like they were up. Some of them were 99% blocked, which is, I mean, you're he. He was not getting enough blood. Umm.00:01:23JackAnd uh. And so he ended up having.00:01:26JackA heart attack.00:01:27JackAnd you know, it's the life when when you lived the life that social and I have lived like, where you work overseas.00:01:40JackYou're so far away from home and it's very difficult to receive news that your your family member is is really sick or having a very serious medical emergency.00:01:54JackAnd so it was really. Here's an English expression, touch and go and touch and go means it was very delicate. Like he was very close.00:02:07JackTo to death.00:02:09JackAnd luckily my my brother and his his wife were visiting my parents and they both work in the medical profession.00:02:20JackMotion and my brother noticed the symptoms in my father and and and brought him into the hospital, and my dad has not left the hospital since that time and he actually went and had a a, a quadruple bypass and quadruples.00:02:41JackIt just means 4 quad means 4.00:02:44JackUM triple bypass means 3 double bypass means two and bypass means one and so he had a A4 bypasses quadruple bypass surgery where they connect arteries. They basically go around.00:03:04JackThe bad part of the artery? The the tube that carries blood into the heart and out of the heart. And they, you know, created new tubes that were clear.00:03:17JackAnd clean and they take those tubes from other parts of your body, like from your leg. Or maybe your arm. I'm not sure. And and they harvest them. They they put them, they sew them into.00:03:37JackInto the heart and he he had that surgery and I just talked to him before the podcast maybe 10 minutes ago.00:03:46JackNo, and he's out of surgery and he's doing really, really well. And so it was one of those, like, just terrifying moments where.00:03:58JackYou know, you you.00:04:01JackYou do that kind of like thinking in your head like is.00:04:05JackIs that the last time I'm gonna?00:04:08JackTalk to my dad, you know, like, is this is this it like and and and you know, before he went into surgery.00:04:16JackAnd so for those 24 hours while he was, you know, in surgery and and coming out of the surgery.00:04:23JackIt was, you know, I was trying to distract myself by listening to podcasts or, you know, talking with my wife and stuff like that. But luckily, everything went really, really well. And so it looks like he's going to make a full recovery.00:04:43JackAnd you know, and for any of our our listeners out there or anyone and I know that you recently experienced a loss in your family. I've experienced a a pretty significant loss a couple of years ago and it's it's just really scary and painful.00:05:04JackUM, all the uh. Here's another expression.00:05:08JackIn English, the woulda coulda should uh.00:05:11JackMoments. You know, I would have said something I could have said something. And so my big take away, the lesson I learned from this is, you know, hug your loved ones a little bit harder today, you know, because you we just don't know the future.00:05:32JackWe we do do not know the.00:05:34JackFuture and and and all the little petty grievances that we have with with our our relatives or our friends are so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, you know we.00:05:55JackYou know, we we hold on to.00:05:56JackThose those things that we.00:05:58JackWe shouldn't be holding on to and you have to let those go and just just squeeze your loved ones tightly and tell them that you love them because you just never know when when you're, when they're going to be gone and and sometimes it.00:06:19JackIt takes a wake up call like almost losing a a parent or a friend or a sibling.00:06:27JackBefore you you realize that, and once they're gone, it's it's too late, you know, to to do that. And so I feel like I got a second chance to really, you know, just say to my father, dad, I love you. You're you're amazing and.00:06:46JackAnd I feel so lucky and so blessed that I got that opportunity because it could have really gone the other way very easily.00:06:55JackAnd uh, you know, those are the the important things in life is family and and and friends and and loved ones that that's what really matters. So yeah that was the the harrowing experience that that we've been dealing with in my family here for.00:07:14JackThe last week or so.00:07:17XochitlThat's terrible, Jack. I'm really sorry you've been dealing.00:07:20XochitlWith all of that.00:07:21JackWell, thanks. Yeah. Yeah, I I, I I know we're we don't need to to, you know, keep talking about this but it kind of brought you you mentioned the topic of like family emergencies and things like that and.00:07:40JackWhat about you?00:07:40JackHave you experienced any like family emergencies that you don't mind sharing with our our podcast listeners?00:07:48XochitlYeah, for sure. I mean, I guess the first one would be when my grandfather passed away, I guess that was in October now.00:07:58XochitlOr the IT was either the end of September or the beginning of October. It's fuzzy in my mind at this point, but.00:08:07XochitlIt feels like.00:08:08XochitlSo long and go.00:08:09XochitlNow, because how of how the brain like process is lost?00:08:15XochitlIt just feels both so recent and so far at the same time, and and that was.00:08:21JackRight, right.00:08:23XochitlJust a big thing because I didn't. I couldn't even fly back to see him in time, really.00:08:33XochitlThat was a big deal. And then recently my grandmother this week as well on Monday.00:08:41XochitlWasn't able to get out.00:08:42XochitlOf bed she wasn't able to stand.00:08:44XochitlUp on her legs.00:08:46XochitlAnd we did call. I eventually convinced them to call the ambulance, which had to come and strap him to a chair because of the driveways, like on a slope. And it's very icy because of the Iowa weather.00:09:00XochitlAnd when they got her into the ambulance, they took her to the hospital and they did some imaging and some tests I found out she has pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia in her lungs. Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs. For those of you who don't know.00:09:14XochitlAnd so.00:09:17XochitlThat was kind of a big deal, but thankfully she's OK and they did tell us that at the hospital, you know, she was good to come home that night around 1:00 or 2:00 AM.00:09:30XochitlThey gave her an antibiotic and she's doing OK.00:09:34XochitlUM, but it certainly was scary in the moment. She was very confused. I didn't understand. It was why I wanted.00:09:41XochitlTo call the.00:09:41XochitlAmbulance, she's she.00:09:43XochitlHad a lot of like confusion and she seemed like lost.00:09:48XochitlAnd I thought it was weird. And when they came, they thought, you know, it might be pneumonia or some kind of infection. I didn't understand what the confusion was about, but once it got to her to the hospital, they had to put her on.00:09:59XochitlOxygen, because her oxygen was very low.00:10:02XochitlAnd of course that makes sense as to.00:10:04XochitlHow it affected her?00:10:06XochitlHer brain. Right. She wasn't getting that oxygen supply that she needed, which is why she was pretty confused.00:10:14JackExactly. Yep.00:10:16XochitlYeah, it it it. It was a scary experience and like Jack said, it makes you think, OK, you should enjoy.00:10:24XochitlAppreciate and value the time you have with people because you never know when the last conversation will be, when your last day together is going to be.00:10:32XochitlWhen your last memory together is going to be and I don't think you'll ever regret.00:10:37XochitlSpending that time together at the end.00:10:39발표자Of it.00:10:44XochitlYeah. And another big deal for me, I think is.00:10:50XochitlIt's important to.00:10:52XochitlSee the issues are family are dealing with in their older age as a full warning.00:10:59XochitlYou it's not just about.00:11:01XochitlHow long your life is, but it's about the quality of life that you experience, and at the end of your years, like into your 70s, eighties, 90s. If you make it that far, you want to live as comfortably as you can.00:11:17XochitlAnd and that definitely means taking care of your body now. So like your diet, maybe your your health in general keeping on top of any pre-existing conditions or any genetic conditions. You know that your family had, you know, keep screening for those things always prioritize your health get enough sleep.00:11:38XochitlEat healthy, sleep enough, drink enough water, do regular exercise and keep your body in good condition. Don't wear it out, you know.00:11:47XochitlBecause it.00:11:48XochitlIt works very hard every day and it's going to have to last you.00:11:53XochitlProbably 80 years at this point, you know, because of life expectancy altogether when a new baby is born is probably going to live into its 70s or 80s, so.00:12:03XochitlYeah, it's important to take care of your body.00:12:06JackYeah, we have a. This is another little idiom. Uh, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.00:12:20JackAnd what that means is just a little bit of a little bit of prevention early on like taking care of like what you said, your health, watching your diet, getting some exercise, getting good sleep. Sleep is really, really important.00:12:40JackUh, I think it's the one that most people ignore.00:12:46JackYou know and and if you do those things when you're young and you develop those good habits, then as you get older, your quality of life will remain much higher because.00:13:00JackI don't how many you know, do you?00:13:02JackDo people want to live to be 90?00:13:05JackBut the last 30 years of their lives, they're basically stuck in a chair.00:13:11JackYou know unable to move.00:13:15JackI do you do you have any? Like, I have some health issues and I don't mind sharing with the with the, with the listeners out there. A couple of my major health issues. One of them is that I have a genetic.00:13:35JackHigh genetically high cholesterol? It's not. It's not really anything that I can control with diet. My cholesterol is just always off the charts. And so I started visiting a cardiologist a couple years ago and a car. A cardiologist is a.00:13:54JackIs a heart doctor, a heart specialist and he put me on some medicine. They're called statins, and a statin is a medicine that lowers your cholesterol.00:14:06JackAnd that was something I I'm really glad I did that because I tried to manage it through my weight and I tried to manage it through my exercise and through my diet, and I was just never able to get my cholesterol under control. And as you can see, because my father just.00:14:26JackHad a heart attack.00:14:28JackIs that?00:14:29JackIn my family, we we genetically we're we have a a predisposition which means a high likelihood of of having some kind of heart problems later in life. And I thought if I can just get this under control now in my 40s.00:14:50JackMaybe I can avoid the same problems that my father just experienced and my grandfather experienced and my uncle and my cousin experienced. I mean, I it's all over my family. I it's it's lots of heart problems on my family, not so much cancer.00:15:10JackBut it feels like it's either one or the other in a family, right? It's like.00:15:16JackHearts are hearts great, but cancer, you know, is is common or not so much cancer, but a lot of heart problems. It seems like you can never avoid one of them one or the other.00:15:20발표자Right.00:15:32JackUM and the other thing that really is, is, uh, too late for me in some ways is that I have really serious back issues. So I've had two back surgeries already.00:15:47JackAnd I've it's it's something that really makes it difficult for me to exercise because I was an athlete in in high school and college. I played college basketball. I was in very good shape. You know, as an athlete.00:16:06JackAnd one of the things that is kind of common for athletes is once they stop playing competitively, they tend to.00:16:16JackGain weight and not remain healthy because there's no reason to exercise because you're not playing anymore games and so one of the the things that happened to me is I just got really, you know, kind of lazy and ate what I wanted to eat. But I wasn't exercising.00:16:37JackLike I like I was when I was in college and.00:16:42JackAnd so for me it's it's a little difficult because I can't run anymore my my spine is just too is too weak. I can't. I can't do long distance running, so I've been doing cycling lately and.00:17:01JackAnd and it's just it's it's a a kind of nagging issue and and I and I it's it's uh, it's something I wish I I wish I had.00:17:11JackTaken care of my back.00:17:14JackUMA lot better. When I was younger because now I'm kind of paying the price for not taking care of it 20 years ago.00:17:26JackUhm and uh and.00:17:28JackSo maybe that's.00:17:29JackI can give you kind of uh, uh. I could be kind of a a cautionary tale to people who are younger, like your age that take care of your back. Take care of your knees. You know, those are really important if you want to stay healthy because.00:17:46JackAnd in order to exercise you need you need to have.00:17:50JackA. A healthy spine and you need to have healthy knees and I've I've unfortunately had knee surgery, several back surgeries. I'm I'm just a kind of broken down machine.00:18:10JackIt's. Uh, yeah. So I I agree with you 100% what you're talking about is the prevention is is the cure many times.00:18:21발표자Right.00:18:26XochitlYeah, I I have.00:18:28XochitlSome long term health issues as well that I'm trying to to get taken care of here in my 20s so that through my 30s and 40s I can make sure my body.00:18:39XochitlIs strong enough that it won't keep deteriorating, I guess.00:18:43JackRight.00:18:44JackRight.00:18:46JackYeah. So I thought that we could transition to something that that is I, I guess the topic today is medical emergencies and we've we've talked about that a little.00:18:58JackBut and we there's a there was a question from one of our our students in, in our WhatsApp group and they were just kind of wondering like what is the the process for like when like when when people go to the hospital?00:19:19JackIn America.00:19:22JackAnd what is the uh like? They're asking. UM, what? What is the culture like when visiting a relative in the hospital? And I think it's kind of interesting because I I learned a few things about that in Korea.00:19:38JackAnd that it it's different than in America. And I'm I'm wondering if if you have the same experience or?00:19:48JackWhat the experience might be like in Mexico as well, because I know that you also have lived there for long periods of time. And so in Korea.00:19:59JackIf your family member has a surgery.00:20:03JackThe family is expected to do a lot of the.00:20:07JackKind of caretaking duties know. Obviously, the family is not giving, administering any shots or, you know, drugs or anything like that. They're not doing medical procedures, but if you know, if your family members in the hospital, there's always another family member in the room.00:20:28JackTo you know, give you a pillow.00:20:32JackHelp you eat, make you comfortable and nurses are much more kind of distanced.00:20:44JackFrom the patient, they're not. They're not really like sitting there, talking to you and taking care of you. They're they're much more interested in the kind of technical things like giving shots and checking your vital signs and things like that.00:21:02JackAnd that's kind of different than the American system. The American system is the nurses do a lot more.00:21:09JackI've found I've found, like their nurses are, you know they'll they'll, uh, bring your food. They'll help you eat it. They'll take the tray away. They will.00:21:23JackThey'll, you know, give you another pillow if you need a pillow, they'll ask you if you're comfortable. They'll they'll bring you a blanket if you're cold. Or take your blanket off if you're too hot. Those kinds of things. And that was a really kind of shocking difference. I noticed. And the reason I noticed that is because, like I said, I have had several.00:21:43JackBack surgeries and both of them were in Korea and the first time that I had back surgery in Korea.00:21:51JackI was I I I was here alone. You know, I wasn't married. And so I was just all alone in this room. And the nurse would come in really quickly, check my IV bag or whatever. And then she would leave. And.00:22:08JackBut my food was just sitting on another table.00:22:13JackKind of far away from my bed and.00:22:18JackNo one was there to.00:22:20JackI couldn't reach it.00:22:22JackLike it was just they just set it down on the table and walked out.00:22:27JackAnd I'm like.00:22:27XochitlRight. Reach for you.00:22:28JackHow? How am I supposed to? How am I?00:22:30JackSupposed to eat that? I can't even I can't move.00:22:33JackAnd I ended up having to grab this like pole.00:22:38JackAnd I had to reach the pole and hook the table and pull the table towards my my bed so that I could reach the the food and it was just really it was. It was really strange because it was.00:22:58JackThey basically expected me to have someone there to take care of me.00:23:03JackBut I didn't have anyone in the country.00:23:06JackTo take care of me.00:23:07JackSo I was kind of left, you know, without missing this this really important piece of of of, of the, of the of the process of, of recovering. And I don't know how. What would you like would you say in America nurses are?00:23:27JackMore hands on in in that regard.00:23:31XochitlYeah, I feel like the nurses are kind of the backbone of the medical industry in America, they.00:23:40XochitlDo a lot of the heavy lifting, like a lot of times, you'll see the doctor for like 5 minutes or 10 minutes, maybe. Probably less, more, more like 5 minutes and the nurse will do everything. They'll take your blood work, they'll swab you.00:23:45JackRight.00:23:56XochitlThey will ask you, do you know questions or fill fill out your history. They get your background and your story. If you're bedridden like you're old, or you just had a surgery, they'll like change out your bedpan or they'll walk you to the bathroom. They'll get your food for you. Like Jack said, they'll administer your medications.00:24:15XochitlFor you, uh, even if it's just.00:24:18XochitlA pill? They'll bring it to you.00:24:19XochitlWith water or.00:24:20XochitlWhatever they'll like. Refill your Sprite. I've been hospitalized a few different times, both in the.00:24:25XochitlUS and in Mexico.00:24:27XochitlJust this year I was probably hospitalized like 4.00:24:29XochitlOr five times.00:24:30XochitlMaybe. Yeah. And they.00:24:37XochitlHere in the US, like they'll they'll like order.00:24:39XochitlFood for you. Bring it to you. Give.00:24:41XochitlYou a Sprite, put.00:24:43XochitlLike SpongeBob on for you on the TV, it feels like being a.00:24:45XochitlLittle kid again. Kind of.00:24:46JackYeah, yeah, yeah.00:24:48XochitlAnd it's kind of nice because all.00:24:51XochitlYou have to do is focus.00:24:52XochitlAbout getting better, you don't really have.00:24:53XochitlTo worry about anything.00:24:56XochitlAnd as Jack and I have talked about before in the US.00:25:00XochitlLike, if you're like the process of it is basically like if you're sick with a cold or something, you would go to a clinic. But if your symptoms are more severe, you would go to urgent care.00:25:13XochitlAnd if your symptoms are like more severe than that, like either life threatening or you can't really take care of yourself, or it could lead to serious complications and you need like emergency testing or imaging or whatever, then you would go to the.00:25:28XochitlER or like?00:25:29XochitlEmergency room and then you may be hospitalized for a couple of days, depending what your situation is.00:25:35XochitlAnd what they see your condition as and like Jack and I have talked about before, it's kind of like a more of a luxury experience. You kind of get your own room.00:25:46JackRight.00:25:50XochitlYou can like order food off a menu now. Just last time I was.00:25:52JackOhh really?00:25:55XochitlYeah, there's an.00:25:55JackOK.00:25:57XochitlI was hospitalized for a couple days. Uh, when was it, Jack? In December. Right. Because I remember. I was new podcast. I talk about for like two or three days in December and they give you like a menu and you tell the nurse what you want and they order for you and they bring it to you and they give you, like, a drink. Like, you can ask for Sprite or apple juice.00:26:18XochitlOr whatever you want.00:26:21XochitlUM and I was just kind of sitting in there. She she asked me if I wanted to turn on the TV. She put SpongeBob on.00:26:32XochitlAnd I was just watching SpongeBob in there with like a Sprite and my dinner. And it was just kind of funny because it was basically like being a kid. And you're kind of being waited on hand and foot.00:26:46XochitlBy the nurse.00:26:48XochitlDoctors and the team, the.00:26:50XochitlCare team are coming in and out and like.00:26:52XochitlAsking questions and maybe they're like phlebotomist or whoever is taking your blood. That's the person.00:26:56XochitlThat like, puts a needle in your arm into your vein and takes your blood out so phlebotomist and then, as like a specialist, might come in and get an EKG on you, which is like a they put little stickers on you where they, like, read.00:27:09XochitlYour heart and your.00:27:11XochitlUM, basically your heart rate, and make sure there's no like heart murmurs or like issues with your heart.00:27:18XochitlAnd yeah, and so nurses do everything. And in Mexico, I would say that's also different, Jack.00:27:25XochitlThe When I went to the public hospital, it's completely free. I had to go twice.00:27:31Xochitl100% free like in the US, it was free for me, but only because I have Medicaid, which is National Health insurance. But if.00:27:39XochitlI were if.00:27:40XochitlI didn't have Medicaid.00:27:41XochitlIt would have been thousands and thousands of dollars.00:27:44XochitlLike probably 10s.00:27:45XochitlOf thousands of dollars to have been there like a couple of nights.00:27:50XochitlIn Mexico, I have no health insurance, but.00:27:55XochitlIt's absolutely free.00:27:57XochitlUM, but it's.00:27:58XochitlReally short staffed.00:28:01XochitlThey have a ton of students in there because there's not like enough doctors or anything, so there's like students trying to take your blood and doing a really terrible job. There's like one nurse running around trying to take care of everyone. There's no rooms. You're all just sitting out in a.00:28:15XochitlHallway and these beds?00:28:17JackRight.00:28:20XochitlYou're not super allowed to have visitors like they're your visitors or people who could visit you.00:28:25XochitlHave to sit in the waiting room, which are just these steel chairs, but they if they like, if the short staff and it's like night time and stuff, they'll let like one person through like the lady who was in front of me, like on her little hospital bed. She was using a bed pan, so they let her mom through so she could.00:28:46XochitlHelp with certain stuff so.00:28:47XochitlShe was like the one emptying out her bedpan, or.00:28:49XochitlLike doing certain things. So I would agree like the.00:28:52XochitlFamily is much more.00:28:53XochitlInvolved and.00:28:54XochitlThe hospital staff was very irritated with me because.00:28:57XochitlI didn't have.00:28:57XochitlAnyone there with me to do certain things like?00:29:02XochitlUM, get like a CD.00:29:04XochitlFor medical imaging or like.00:29:10XochitlGo to the like.00:29:12XochitlWithdraw blood. I didn't like. Go to the lab because it was a weekend and they're they're their lab inside the hospital isn't open on the weekend, so.00:29:19XochitlThey needed like.00:29:20XochitlSomeone to be there and they also don't want to release you from the hospital unless you have someone.00:29:25XochitlThere to pick you up.00:29:26JackRight.00:29:27XochitlAnd and I think all these things come from like collectivist culture, where there's strong family ties, right. So it's like your family, you live close to your family, probably. And your family will be there for you and you'll be there for your family. But in the US, a lot of people will leave for college, move away for work. It's a huge country.00:29:47XochitlA lot of people's families.00:29:48XochitlCan't drive 10 hours or fly five hours or.00:29:51XochitlWhatever out to.00:29:51XochitlWhere they are, and so we're very lucky. Like in your brother's case.00:29:53JackRight.00:29:56XochitlLike you said, he was visiting.00:29:57JackRight.00:29:59XochitlBecause it's such a huge country and people live kind of in Siller, like, isolated from their families, a lot of the times and they live, they move far away from their families.00:30:09XochitlFor the reasons I mentioned, the hospital doesn't really expect.00:30:15XochitlYour family to do any of that. In fact, they would probably be irritated if your family was in there trying.00:30:21XochitlTo take on.00:30:21XochitlAny of these tasks?00:30:24XochitlBecause they see it as like a medical professional's job and not the job of your family, right?00:30:33JackWell, I think families get in the way sometimes, too many questions. There's too many, too many people in the room. You know, it's kind of like, get out, get out of the.00:30:36XochitlYeah, they do.00:30:41JackWay, let us do our job.00:30:44XochitlRight. Yeah, it's pretty bad. What about the culture of visiting someone in the hospital, Jack, what would?00:30:50XochitlYou say that's like.00:30:52JackYeah. So that one's a little different. Like what we're describing is kind of the long term care part of the hospital. But if you just receive a visitor, there are in America, there are visiting hours. And so, you know, people can come in and it's usually during a time when.00:31:13JackThe nurses are not performing some kind of.00:31:18JackSome kind of job, you know, if they're, if they have to take blood or they have to do it, run a test or something, then they don't want any visitors in there. Visiting hours are only during the daytime. Now if you're a family member, they'll give you an exemption so they'll they'll bring it a a kind of sleeping chair if.00:31:37JackBut you know for like for example, my mother wanted if she wanted to stay with my father overnight there, she could have slept there.00:31:47JackThey she only lives 5 minutes away, so they just decided to go home and and sleep and then come back to the hospital. But but when it comes to just like visiting someone in the hospital, you you know you you you check in you you say who you want.00:32:08JackTo to visit, they make sure that you are that that the person who is in the hospital, who's sick, wants to see you. You know they're not gonna let anyone in. That makes the patient uncomfortable or feel more stress.00:32:26JackAnd and uh. And then you can come in and you can. You can spend a short amount of time, you know, just, you know, giving what we call in English, we say moral support, you know, just cheering up, lifting the spirits of the patient, the person who is sick.00:32:45JackBut yeah, it I think they're they're very strict about visiting hours and the amount of time that people are able to, to, to see the, the, their, their friend who is in the hospital because they have.00:33:01JackA job to.00:33:01JackDo and they don't.00:33:03JackWant any of that visiting to get in the way of what they need to do to make this person healthy? Because the number one objective is to get this person.00:33:15JackStable and in the recovery process and you know, and so oftentimes nurses get a bad reputation for being kind of mean.00:33:27JackYou know what I mean? Like, OK, now you get outta here. It's you're done. You know, it's like leave. Leave him alone. Let let him. Let him sleep. Let her sleep. And so it's it's kind you get kind of. They get a little bit of a bad reputation for that, but I think it's just because they need to be forceful.00:33:46JackOtherwise, family members and and friends will just kind of be hanging out there in the house.00:33:52JackPeople, and they don't want a lot of people hanging out in the hospital. Number one, they can bring in illnesses and you know, diseases and stuff like that. So if if one of those visitors is sick, that could hurt the the patient. It could also hurt other people who are in the hospital and a lot of.00:34:12JackYou don't when you're in the hospital.00:34:14JackAnd you're let's say.00:34:17JackIn a not in a room, but like.00:34:20JackYou know how to.00:34:21JackHave, like the curtains, a kind of a curtain room.00:34:25XochitlRight. It's like you're in. You're all in the same room, but you're separated.00:34:28XochitlBy privacy curtain.00:34:29JackPrivacy curtains. That's what I was looking for. And.00:34:34JackYou don't want you you've you're very.00:34:36JackVulnerable. You know, you're you're half naked, you know, like you're wearing a just a a hospital gown.00:34:44JackYou, you, you. You know you don't, you don't you you don't present well, you your you look sick. Your hair is a mess. You're not wearing makeup or whatever and.00:34:58JackThose people, they.00:34:59JackDon't want to be seen by a lot of.00:35:04JackOther strangers you know, because you know, I'm just thinking like, especially when like, kids come to the hospital, they're curious you.00:35:12JackKnow they want to look around and.00:35:15JackAnd see, you know, who are these other people and what's wrong with them? And that makes the patients uncomfortable. So I I think the reason there is a very strict rules about who can come in and for how long they can stay is not is, it's not about punishing the the.00:35:34JackPatient or the visitors, it's about making the other patients comfortable as well. And so I I kind of like the American system. I think it's because like you, you.00:35:45JackKnow in your situation.00:35:47JackYou didn't. You didn't have any immediate family there with you.00:35:50JackAt that time, I didn't.00:35:53JackThere should be some kind of.00:35:56JackProtocol for those situations, it shouldn't just be like, well, I guess that's, you know that that sucks for you. There's, you know, sorry you don't have anyone here to help you. It's like, you know, it's like, what am I supposed to do? You know, I I I thought it was just a very bizarre.00:36:09XochitlRight.00:36:16JackSituation I I was in a hospital. It was so funny. There was a TV, but there was a it was coin operated so.00:36:25JackYou had to actually get out of bed.00:36:28JackGo put coins into the TV.00:36:33JackAnd then it would turn on and you could buy.00:36:36JackI think maybe $0.50 would buy you.00:36:40Jack30 minutes of television.00:36:42JackSomething like that and.00:36:45JackAnd I didn't even have anyone to.00:36:47JackPut the coins.00:36:47JackIn the TV for me, you know, because it was like, you know, not the nurse's job to do that. So it it was just a very strange experience for me.00:37:00JackAnd I I I just was kind of, I didn't expect it. You know, it's one of those things when you live in another country.00:37:08JackUM, you can't predict everything.00:37:11XochitlRight.00:37:13JackAnd you just always assume that it's going to be the same as your country.00:37:18XochitlRay's really prepared for those kind of situations.00:37:22JackYeah, you just and and it's the funniest little.00:37:25JackSituations just like like I said, like the food where they just put the the food on the on the table. That was like far away from my bed. And I'm like, hello is what am I what? How do I eat this?00:37:39JackAnd yeah, it was just a very, very strange experience. And I'm not saying it's a bad experience. I think it's great that you, that family members are expected to kind of step up and do some of that work because I think nurses are overburdened with with too many things anyway.00:37:59JackUM, but I do think that like exceptions should be made when people don't have family members, because there are going to be situations where.00:38:10JackThere you know you have a patient that doesn't have, maybe they don't have any family left. Maybe their family is all passed away or they didn't, never had kids or who knows, it could be a whole host of reasons why there's you don't have someone there to help you or there should be like a service where you can hire.00:38:30JackAnd like a a helper.00:38:33JackYou know and.00:38:35XochitlThey do have that now. I think that you can get a private nurse now in Korea. I heard that you can.00:38:40XochitlPay a private nurse.00:38:41JackOhh. OK OK, maybe that would have been the right way for that. That would have been very useful for me. I just didn't know beforehand. So yeah, just.00:38:50발표자I don't know.00:38:51XochitlIf it was possible back then, or if it's just become more of a thing because a lot of people like move away from college now and there's more foreigners in the country and there's just like, I guess after years of situations where there was a patient that couldn't take care of themselves, they changed it a little bit. So you can like hire on.00:39:08XochitlOne recently I think you can hire on a nurse like a private.00:39:13XochitlNurse. But you would have.00:39:15XochitlTo pay additional money. And it's just kind of sucks in a way, because.00:39:20XochitlUM.00:39:22XochitlYou wouldn't really have.00:39:23XochitlTo worry about that, I guess like in the US like it's just included.00:39:28XochitlAnd they're charging you bazooka box.00:39:30XochitlAnother way to say a.00:39:31JackYeah, the money you're paying in America, you deserve a a whole private staff, a Butler, a maid.00:39:31XochitlLot of but like.00:39:40XochitlAnd the nurse that's working as a Butler and the made basically. And the medical professional, they're doing a lot so.00:39:47XochitlThat does make it really hard.00:39:50XochitlBut yeah, I think with in Korea that's one aspect I thought about getting the surgery I was going to get.00:39:58XochitlIn Korea, because it's so.00:40:00XochitlMuch cheaper, but then I realized.00:40:02XochitlLike I'd have to spend money for, like my mom or something to come out because.00:40:07XochitlAnd at that point, it's like I'm not saving that much money because I basically have to pay lodging for my mom, and I'd have to pay a plane ticket for her cause I'd need someone to take care of me because.00:40:17XochitlThe nurse isn't really.00:40:18XochitlGoing to do it or again, you could hire a private nurse. But again, that's also adding to your expenses. So that's just something to consider.00:40:25XochitlAnd it's like if you are going to move to a foreign country, I guess it's something to look into because it is shocking how different those experiences can be.00:40:34JackYeah. And you never know when you're gonna need, you know, I mean, I I had a a. Like I said I I had a back surgery at that time and it was a a ruptured disc in my spine and yeah. So I was in the hospital for several days. And I remember just gritting my teeth.00:40:55JackAnd uh.00:40:57JackTrying to get out of there as fast as I could. Like I went home after.00:41:02JackWay too fast. You know, I was just like, OK, if if no one's gonna help me, I can do. I can do.00:41:09JackThis at home. Then you know it'll be easier. And so I actually just.00:41:18JackIt's made me kind of pretended like I was doing better than I than I was with the doctor. You know, I was up.00:41:25JackWalking around and.00:41:27JackAnd how do?00:41:28JackYou feel ohh feel.00:41:29JackGreat. You know, but I didn't.00:41:33XochitlTo be at home.00:41:34JackI just wanted to get out of there because I was like, you know what, like, if, if if I'm going to do it all on my own.00:41:40JackAnyway, might as well be in my own apartment like there really is no reason for me to to, to be in this hospital. And so that was the one thing that kind of turned me off to it. The thing that I did like was they're very competent. They're very nice. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't a bad experience. It was just.00:42:00JackIt was one of those culture shock moments and and yeah there it's it's very interesting. Like I just what the expectations are from country to country and so you know I'd really like love to hear from our listeners out there like what is it like in your country?00:42:04XochitlRight.00:42:19JackBecause, you know, do they do the nurses like, what are the what's what are what are the job duties of of a nurse in other countries? Because I I bet it's some of them are similar to Korea and some are probably similar to the United States.00:42:39XochitlRight. It's like.00:42:39JackYeah, I'd be really interested.00:42:41XochitlOur nurses. Yeah. I want to hear from you listeners, our nurses, you know, expected to take on duties like the US. Or is there other hospital staff that takes the place of a nurse or patients kind of left to fend for their own if they don't have any family? Like, does family have responsibilities? What's the protocol for?00:43:01XochitlVisiting sick family. Yeah, we would really like to hear from you guys, so make sure to leave a comment down below at A-Z. Inversepodcast.com shoot us an e-mail at AZ [email protected]:43:13XochitlAnd join our WhatsApp only chat groups to join the conversation and let Jack and I.00:43:17XochitlKnow what's it?00:43:17XochitlLike in your country. 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