'Just make stuff up': How Vivek Ramaswamy stole the debate spotlight

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Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who at times looked more like a Trump surrogate, commanded the stage during Fox News’ debate — but mostly because he bore the brunt of his rivals’ attacks on stage. Molly Ball, national political correspondent at Time magazine, and Jonah Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Dispatch, join Chuck to explain what the first presidential debate means for the GOP race.