# 9 - Regulation is the fuel for circular innovation
The Circular Coffee Break - A podcast by Podcast with Michael Hanf - Wednesdays
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Michael Hanf and his guest Julian Lauten-Weiss, Circular Economy Researcher, Lecturer & Consultant, delve into the world of standards, entrepreneurship, and innovation in the circular economy. They inspect the need for standardisation in the circular economy work, explain the puristic and holistic views of circularity, and discuss the importance of entrepreneurship and innovation in the circular economy.