Madeline Chapman and Toby Manhire on Jacinda Ardern and the media

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In the wake of Thursday’s astonishing announcement, Duncan Greive sits down with Jacinda Ardern biographer Mad Chapman and Gone By Lunchtime host Toby Manhire to discuss Ardern's complicated relationship with both mainstream and social media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices