UPSTREAM: Solving Problems Before They Happen

We knew a pandemic was coming. We knew our police were treating some of us differently than others. So why were we so unprepared for what happened? In this eye-opening conversation, Rufus and author Dan Heath dig into what it takes to root out problems at their source, both in our own lives and in the larger world. Support us by supporting our sponsors! Athletic Greens — Get 20 free travel packs at athleticgreens.com/bigidea The Great Courses Plus — Start your free month trial at thegreatcoursesplus.com/bigidea ZipRecruiter — Try it now for free at ziprecruiter.com/bigidea