Leanne Shapton on where it all began, jealousy and ghosts, living in New York as a writer and artist, and the weirdest book so far.

Featuring where it all began, the joys of working and collaboration, thoughts on leadership and insubordination, books that talk to each other, how we read pictures, 'Women in Clothes' with Miranda July and Cindy Sherman, and the film option. Leanne Shapton creates some of the most intriguing books today that often combine images and text – but they’re not just intriguing, they’re beautiful, revealing, curious-making, smart and often funny too. This is an ambling chat not just about Leanne’s work but also her life, creative ideas and new projects on the go.