Ep. 37: James Madden [Pt. 5]: The Death Drive & Disclosure

In this episode of the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast, host Kelly Chase returns from a hiatus with a brand new conversation with James Madden. The episode explores themes of psychoanalysis, epistemic vulnerability, and the psychological motivations behind belief systems in ufology. Together, Kelly and Jim ponder the deeper implications of mind control, trauma, and the symbolic nature of our cultural fascination with UFOs, aiming to navigate the complex landscape of human inquiry and understanding.BECOME A PATRONPatrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase.Memberships start at just $5/month.GET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookTIMESTAMPS00:00 Welcome Back to the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast01:02 Upcoming Documentary and Personal Transformation02:27 A New Direction for the Podcast02:44 Conversation with Dr. James Madden04:35 Dr. Madden's Recent Work and Psychoanalysis06:36 Freudian Insights and Human Motivation10:37 Epistemic Vulnerability and Belief Systems15:07 Challenges in Ufology and Disclosure22:20 Language, Belief, and Mind Control25:41 Reflecting on Personal Beliefs26:26 Freud's Death Drive and Trauma Reenactment29:52 The Addictive Nature of Unfulfilled Promises31:08 Comparing Ufology to Sports Fandom33:18 Personal Struggles and Finding Meaning in Danger35:21 Cultural and Political Outrage Cycles40:28 Symbolism in Dreams and Collective Psyche44:29 The Unending Human Project and Self-Destruction46:29 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude