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"Coming out of this pandemic, and this crisis, I think the future for perioperative medicine is very bright and we should definitely take the opportunity and really build on that now..." The two co-vice presidents of The International Board of Perioperative Medicine join Desiree's POCAPALOOZA; this conversation is global in its context, with perceptive reflections upon the US healthcare market specifically. "Towards high‐quality peri‐operative care: a global perspective" - the paper we begin by discussing - is here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/anae.14921 As anesthesiologists "we are part of teams" how can innovations like tele-medicine help us to do better? Are we right to be optimistic about our specialty in this difficult time? What are "the four M's"? The International Board for Perioperative Medicine is here: https://www.internationalboardpom.org/ The Global Health Data @ Work team - which both our guests contribute to - are an invaluable resource; visit them here: https://ghdatwork.com/team The Hartford Foundation is here: https://www.hfpg.org/ "Perioperative medicine journal" is here: https://perioperativemedicinejournal.biomedcentral.com/ Listeners will also doubtless enjoy this paper - highlighted in the conversation - here: "The Brain-Heart Connection: GCBH Recommendations to Manage Cardiovascular Risks to Brain Health" - https://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/health/brain_health/2020/02/gcbh-heart-health-report-english.doi.10.26419-2Fpia.00099.001.pdf Presented by Desiree Chappell with Lee Fleisher, Professor and Chair of Anesthesiology and Critical Care, University of Pennsylvania and Carol Peden, Professor of Anesthesiology and Exec. Director of the Center for Health System Innovation, University of Southern California, University of Bath and the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI). If you loved this piece please enjoy another episode of TopMedTalk featuring Lee Fleisher here: https://www.topmedtalk.com/ebpom-2019-brain-health-peri-operative-quality-initiative-poqi-6-what-can-we-do-tomorrow-2/ Or check out some more of Carol Peden's work here: https://www.topmedtalk.com/women-in-anaesthesia-part-6-carol-peden/ Attentive listeners will also recall that we mention the impressive work of Maurizio Cecconi; we profile him here: https://www.topmedtalk.com/topmedtalks-to-maurizio-cecconi/ And finally we mention change management, a theme on TopMedtalk. Check out this classic piece here: ERAS Team Working and managing change - https://www.topmedtalk.com/eras-team-working-and-managing-change/