E75: The Future of AI-Enabled Companies with Omar Shams, CEO of Mutable AI

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Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg are joined by Omar Shams, the founder of Mutable AI, for a deep dive into Omar’s great piece, The AI Organization. In this conversation, they explore the potential of AI to transform organizational productivity, the limitations of financial metrics in GDP, and AI's role in political processes and societal structures. This episode was recorded for Turpentine’s show The Riff. Check it out for more like this: https://open.spotify.com/show/6rANlV54GCARLgMOtpkzKt — 🔥 Apply to join over 400 founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: turpentinenetwork.co — MORE RECOMMENDED PODCASTS: 🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast — SPONSORS: Get first-party targeting with Brave's private ad platform: cookieless and future proof ad formats for all your business needs. Performance meets privacy. Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign. 💥 Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist. — LINKS: Byrne Hobart’s writing: https://thediff.co Omar Sham’s piece: https://blog.mutable.ai/p/the-ai-organization-part-i — FOLLOW ON X: @byrnehobart (Byrne) @smahsramo (Omar) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @turpentinemedia — TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro (01:22) Historical context of technological adoption (04:47) The Al Organization (07:15) Economic theories and Al (13:00) Capitalism vs. Communism (17:01) Sponsors: Brave | Squad (19:10) Role of Al in future economies (20:32) Al's impact on company sizes (25:50) Al and political influence (31:27) Effect of Al on legal services (33:35) Complexity of GDP and human preferences (43:36) Future of Work and Al Integration (56:03) Al adoption in various sectors (01:05:39) Outro