Ep 38: Big Black Delta
Why Not Both - A podcast by Pam Shaffer

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Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. In the before times, we got to spend a delightful afternoon with Jonathan Bates of Big Black Delta. We delved into the finer points of the importance of mental health care, the power of sobriety, and what it means to make art in service of others. It can take a lifetime to discover what you truly love, but Jonathan inspires us to stay curious. While you’re enjoying the episode, Bates requests that you consider donating to GoFundMe for Elijah McClain’s mother in honor of his memory and to seek justice for his family. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.