RUTGER BREGMAN: Author of Humankind on how to trust each other

Rutger Bregman reckons we're kinder than we think we are. He's a Dutch journalist and international best-selling author of Humankind: A Hopeful History, a book that lights a fire under the idea that humans are inherently selfish and doomed to self-destruct. Rutger and I chat about hope, calling out billionaires for not paying enough tax and what our society could look like if we simply - and wildly - chose to trust each other more.Listen to Wild with Sarah Wilson on the LiSTNR app, favourite hereSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.