Tripping Out with a Legend: Jon Kabat-Zinn on Pain vs. Suffering, Rethinking Your Anxiety, and the Buddha's Teaching in a Single Sentence

A beautifully weird conversation with the creator of Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction. Jon Kabat-Zinn talks about why meditation can't just be a self-improvement practice, his personal definition of 'healing,' and this quotation: "Open your mouth and you're wrong."